The New Arena

[coollino]

Well, no.

Firstly as your reaction score is far lower than mine -- this was the metric you used.

Secondly i dont feel the need to attempt to bully and insult people online due to my life being miserable.

Go and get some life experience then perhaps you may learn something and feel happier in your own skin

Reaction score hahahhahahahauahahahH

 

[Marius57]

Hallelujah….. somebody who actually understands and speaks perfect sense, I just wish more people would educate themselves about this. The term illegal immigrant should be banned.

I did a placement in an asylum/refugee service and it’s really annoys me how little people actually understand about it because of the media.

 

[Zatara]

It's really not that complicated mate, if you can't figure it out, I can't help you brother.

Ergo, you have no idea.

I would describe them as a person seeking asylum.

There are what our government consider “illegal routes” and what it consider “safe and legal routes”.

But how would any person seeking asylum get to the UK if they don’t fit into one of our governments tiny boxes of people they apply the safe and legal routes to? So people will take unsafe routes to the country, like the ways you say.

Many people seeking asylum don’t have passports so can’t get to our passport control as we are an island.

Once in this country, the first thing they will do is claim asylum, and at which point, they are documented and not illegal. Even if their claim and subsequent appeal is rejected, they are then still not illegal even though they have no recourse to public funds and will be destitute and homeless (which the government actually allows and rather than deporting them after their claim fails, makes them check in monthly at a police station etc, but doesn’t actually support them at all).

I didnt know this so thanks for taking the time to explain.

The system allows those failed asylum seekers to remain in the country "destitute and homeless"...

...well, that isnt good is it?

@Zatara

From the refugee council

• There is no such thing as an "illegal" or "bogus" person seeking asylum. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim.
• It is recognised in the 1951 Convention that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means in order to escape and claim asylum in another country – there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum.

The last sentence, if theres "no legal way" then that would align with illegal entry...no?

Im lost why they would not be deported -- as im sure happens elsewhere.

One thing im also confused about is those in fear for their lives...so fleeing their home country for the UK.

Why the UK? Why flee in fear to then take a life risking journey?

Not stop at another place on the way to claim asylum...

 

[Bungle]

Reaction score hahahhahahahauahahahH

I bet he carries his score around on a card and flashes it at women in bars to impress them, or casually drops it as he passes a school to wow the kids before netting them.

 

[Moomin]

Our infrastructure is awful because of greed.

It was siphoned off years ago for the capitalist dream to fix for us.

Refugees are just a dead cat.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I bet he carries his score around on a card and flashes it at women in bars to impress them, or casually drops it as he passes a school to wow the kids before netting them.

When I was your age I already had a 4 figure reaction score

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Is that right? If so, how to correctly describe someone coming over under a lorry, inside a car boot or on one of the boats without going through immigration?

Surely its illegal entry?

They come in, tell a story and then (the media says) receive free housing and benefits?

Meanwhile the law is surely that if you want to enter the country then you go through passport control at the border?

Why else would anyone go through those controls and procedures?

It seems logical to say that one way is not following the 'rules'.

You are as heartless as you are just plain dumb.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

"I enjoy being able to experience and engage with different cultures, including living overseas and bothering the local women, but only the right kind of people, like me, should have this privilege".

That's what I'm taking as Zat's standpoint from this sorry little debate.

 

[Nymzee]

I did a placement in an asylum/refugee service and it’s really annoys me how little people actually understand about it because of the media.

I think Zat did that too. Different kind though.

 

[COYBL25]

"I enjoy being able to experience and engage with different cultures, including living overseas and bothering the local women, but only the right kind of people, like me, should have this privilege".

That's what I'm taking as Zat's standpoint from this sorry little debate.

By paying Lady Boys to tend to my needs, I’m supporting the local economy and helping keep local people in employment.

 

[Zatara]

You are as heartless as you are just plain dumb.

How can it be "heartless" to ask questions ?

How can it be "heartless" to wonder where the money comes from to cater for mass immigration ?

I suggest you are the dumb one and also intolerant.

Which makes you "heartless".

I think Zat did that too. Different kind though.

Like in your comic books?

 

[coollino]

How can it be "heartless" to ask questions ?

How can it be "heartless" to wonder where the money comes from to cater for mass immigration ?

I suggest you are the dumb one and also intolerant.

Which makes you "heartless".



Like in your comic books?

Wouldn't that be more 'brainless'?

 

[Marius57]

Ergo, you have no idea.



I didnt know this so thanks for taking the time to explain.

The system allows those failed asylum seekers to remain in the country "destitute and homeless"...

...well, that isnt good is it?



The last sentence, if theres "no legal way" then that would align with illegal entry...no?

Im lost why they would not be deported -- as im sure happens elsewhere.

One thing im also confused about is those in fear for their lives...so fleeing their home country for the UK.

Why the UK? Why flee in fear to then take a life risking journey?

Not stop at another place on the way to claim asylum...

Illegal entry possibly, but that’s just depends on the current governments definition. However illegal entry doesn’t make that individual an illegal immigrant, it’s just how they enter the country. The UK government has basically made laws that don’t comply with international law which is why there have been no deportations and Rwanda still hasn’t happened.

Why they let them stay after claims fail? God knows, our government is a disgrace and screws up constantly. Loads of reports of deportation flights being blocked by the courts. Essentially, our government acts illegally al the time.

Why uk? All sorts of reasons. Friends and family, relatively decent rates of asylum claims being accepted, if claim approved, then outcomes to remain are good. Could even go back as far as “the empire” in that the uk has had influence across large parts of the world and that history still has impacts on people views of what the uk can offer.

 

[Zatara]

By paying Lady Boys to tend to my needs, I’m supporting the local economy and helping keep local people in employment.

Why mention ladyboys* by using them as part of a joke?

Are you not tolerant of gays, or lesbians either?

At this point surely the backlash @forever everton received should be on its way to you...

...or not due to the double standards.

*facually yes if i was paying ladyboys it would indeed mean im supporting the local economy.

As would be the norm for when people enter other countries as tourists.

Im not into ladyboys and i would say the lifestyle in Asia is far superior to that in the UK.

For starters, its mostly sunny, friendly people, lovely beaches, great food.

Fabulous.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

How can it be "heartless" to ask questions ?

How can it be "heartless" to wonder where the money comes from to cater for mass immigration ?

I suggest you are the dumb one and also intolerant.

Which makes you "heartless".



Like in your comic books?

Here’s something else for your reaction score