The New Arena

[Zatara]

I'll simplify it for you:


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Mine is a simple point. The money has to come from somewhere.

Who pays for this?

Also, why is it that there are so many people seemingly struggling in the UK ?

Why is the infrastructure so poor?

Why are there long waiting times in clinics and hospitals?

If there is mass population growth surely at some point these questions have to be answered and the reasons have to be clear so everyone can be educated (including me).

So if you know the answers, what are they?

Nobody cares Zat. Your go to is always that we are miserable. We are happy content people, and you bring us added joy with your delusional fantasy land ramblings.

Miserable people are always the first to bully or to belittle others.

They are also typically intolerant of others views.

Ironically they are also the ones who claim to be on the side of the (in their eyes) oppressed.

If a random tolerant person read your last posts towards me and my responses they would naturally put you into the boxes ive detailed above.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Jesus, what am I reading. A combination of ill informed right wing guff and really bad sledging.

 

[Kurt.]

You show me one illegal immigrant in the uk who gets anything off the state…

Just 1 @Zatara … come on it must be easy yeah ?

 

[Zatara]

No such thing as an illegal immigrant in the first place. It’s a right wing msm phrase that got adopted by government but even in their legislation they don’t use the term.

Same way there are no actual safe and legal routes to this country for those wanting to claim asylum because we are an island (unless they are from specific countries where we have a scheme set up).

Is that right? If so, how to correctly describe someone coming over under a lorry, inside a car boot or on one of the boats without going through immigration?

Surely its illegal entry?

They come in, tell a story and then (the media says) receive free housing and benefits?

Meanwhile the law is surely that if you want to enter the country then you go through passport control at the border?

Why else would anyone go through those controls and procedures?

It seems logical to say that one way is not following the 'rules'.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Mine is a simple point. The money has to come from somewhere.

Who pays for this?

Also, why is it that there are so many people seemingly struggling in the UK ?

Why is the infrastructure so poor?

Why are there long waiting times in clinics and hospitals?

If there is mass population growth surely at some point these questions have to be answered and the reasons have to be clear so everyone can be educated (including me).

So if you know the answers, what are they?



Miserable people are always the first to bully or to belittle others.

They are also typically intolerant of others views.

Ironically they are also the ones who claim to be on the side of the (in their eyes) oppressed.

If a random tolerant person read your last posts towards me and my responses they would naturally put you into the boxes ive detailed above.

Shut up Zat before I jump off the top rope and suplex you to the heart.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Jesus, what am I reading. A combination of ill informed right win guff and really bad sledging.

People read it?

 

[ste d' indica]

Mine is a simple point. The money has to come from somewhere.

Who pays for this?

Also, why is it that there are so many people seemingly struggling in the UK ?

Why is the infrastructure so poor?

Why are there long waiting times in clinics and hospitals?

If there is mass population growth surely at some point these questions have to be answered and the reasons have to be clear so everyone can be educated (including me).

So if you know the answers, what are they?



Miserable people are always the first to bully or to belittle others.

They are also typically intolerant of others views.

Ironically they are also the ones who claim to be on the side of the (in their eyes) oppressed.

If a random tolerant person read your last posts towards me and my responses they would naturally put you into the boxes ive detailed above.

It's really not that complicated mate, if you can't figure it out, I can't help you brother.

 

[Kurt.]

Is that right? If so, how to correctly describe someone coming over under a lorry, inside a car boot or on one of the boats without going through immigration?

Surely its illegal entry?

They come in, tell a story and then (the media says) receive free housing and benefits?

Meanwhile the law is surely that if you want to enter the country then you go through passport control at the border?

Why else would anyone go through those controls and procedures?

It seems logical to say that one way is not following the 'rules'.

For somebody who has so much supposed life experience and has an extensive knowledge on most things you are incredibly ill informed.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

People read it?

Oh yes, enjoying the nonsense over my Muesli.

He does make a very good point here though:

Also I can see certain benefits of making it very difficult for foreigners to enter certain countries.

Legit think The Philippines would benefit from barring Brit sexpests, for instance.

 

[Marius57]

Is that right? If so, how to correctly describe someone coming over under a lorry, inside a car boot or on one of the boats without going through immigration?

Surely its illegal entry?

They come in, tell a story and then (the media says) receive free housing and benefits?

Meanwhile the law is surely that if you want to enter the country then you go through passport control at the border?

Why else would anyone go through those controls and procedures?

It seems logical to say that one way is not following the 'rules'.

I would describe them as a person seeking asylum.

There are what our government consider “illegal routes” and what it consider “safe and legal routes”.

But how would any person seeking asylum get to the UK if they don’t fit into one of our governments tiny boxes of people they apply the safe and legal routes to? So people will take unsafe routes to the country, like the ways you say.

Many people seeking asylum don’t have passports so can’t get to our passport control as we are an island.

Once in this country, the first thing they will do is claim asylum, and at which point, they are documented and not illegal. Even if their claim and subsequent appeal is rejected, they are then still not illegal even though they have no recourse to public funds and will be destitute and homeless (which the government actually allows and rather than deporting them after their claim fails, makes them check in monthly at a police station etc, but doesn’t actually support them at all).

 

[MikeH72]

The New Arena Question Time

 

[Marius57]

@Zatara

From the refugee council

• There is no such thing as an "illegal" or "bogus" person seeking asylum. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim.
• It is recognised in the 1951 Convention that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means in order to escape and claim asylum in another country – there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum.

 

[Nymzee]

Callum O’Hare on a free has really gotten to Zat.

 

[Kurt.]

Could somebody be kind enough to pull Zat’s pants back up please… it’s getting uncomfortable now watching everyone point and laugh at him

 

[JimmyJeffers]

It’s all hahaha fantasy formations and heheheh young French players but every now and then zat wanders out of the everton forum and shows everyone what a disgusting individual he really is.