The next manager appointment (new thread)

[MikeH72]

We’ve had every single profile of manager possible since Moyes left.

Possession based philosophy of ultra optimism

Experienced European name with prem experience, disciplinarian

Relegation specialist

Up and coming progressive Portuguese tactician

One of the best managers of all time

Disciplinarian tactician with experience

Ex great player up and coming promising manager

Pragmatic experienced PL manager.


Apart from one season under Martinez and 6 months under Ancelotti, they’ve either all largely failed against their targets at the time, or they’ve achieved them but the fans hate them regardless.

At some point perhaps the fans need to look at other factors at the club rather than obsessing over the profile of the manager.

At one point Chelsea had such a set up at their club that Roberto Di Matteo was able to come in and win the CL and Fa Cup. Managers came and went out of a revolving door and even interim managers were winning trophies. Players would join the club without knowing who the next manager was. The success was built on ruthless culture at the top, depth of quality and continuity in the playing squad, it wasn’t built on a never ending search for a mythical manager who can make a bottom half squad top 4 challengers (although we had one of them once and Everton fans got bored of him)

When one of the best managers of all times has you playing 4 CBs at the back, low block, and just two players upfront on the counter attack as you’re getting played around by bottom half teams at Goodison, and the team is incapable of putting a pass together unless one of the best number 10s in history is in the team…..then at some point it’s just time to change all the players.

All of the players have changed since that season. We now have a squad full of Dyche-approved players. Why on earth are people still trying to act like we’ve had the same team since 2017?

 

[JLW]

Only Marco Silva and Ancelotti where the managerial appointments that gave you hope, everyone else should never have been appointed in the first place as they were always going to be fired it was just a matter of when.

So when people say the problem is sacking managers all the time, its not, its hiring absolute bums in the first place.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Only Marco Silva and Ancelotti where the managerial appointments that gave you hope, everyone else should never have been appointed in the first place as they were always going to be fired it was just a matter of when.

So when people say the problem is sacking managers all the time, its not, its hiring absolute bums in the first place.

Can't say I have ever been convinced by Silva tbh, he has one way of playing which when it works, it really works but when it doesn't his teams usually get battered. last season they had something like 10 games where they conceded 3 or more goals. Played the same 4-2-3-1 formation the whole season because he is a stubborn so and so, I find it funny its being suggested he is some sort of progressive tactician, he is anything but that.

 

[Saint Domingo]

All of the players have changed since that season. We now have a squad full of Dyche-approved players. Why on earth are people still trying to act like we’ve had the same team since 2017?

All of the players? Really? All of them?

So I’ve not imagined that the majority of Everton team sheets since 2017 have started with Pickford Coleman Keane? That Calvert Lewin hasn’t been the main striking option for the majority of that time period, that Idrissa Gueye hasn’t been first choice midfielder for most of that time?

Then there’s the likes of Siggurdson and Doucoure who have all been in squad after squad under multiple managers for a long time.

Even if you want to get petty about individual names, which I’m sure you will, and try and make this point about Dyche, which you have, even though it isn’t, the problems are the same even if the players are different.

It’s not as though we only made the mistake of buying slow injury prone crap players for too high a price once is it? Surely even you aren’t one eyed enough to look past that.

Change the name all you want:

Schendierlin, Gueye, Allan, Gbamin, Delph, Doucoure, Barry, Besic - they’re all slow and injury prone and most of them can’t handle a football

Calvert Lewin Rondon Tosun Sandro Rooney Beto Maupay - most are slow, injury prone, most can’t handle a football

James, Bernard, Siggurdson, McNeil Iwobi Townsend Gray Harrison Cleverley Kone - James was obviously exceptional but none of them have any pace (except Gray who was lazy) loads of them were injury prone.

Are you seeing the point yet or do you need to be hammered over the head with it before you just auto vomit some anti Dyche nonsense?

 

[DanB90]

Oower

 

[evertondotcom]

Funny some blues thinking McKenna is too good for Everton.

Must be smoking some powerful stuff.

We’ve had ancelotti and even koeman. We’re on the up with the new stadium, new owners, new sponsors and new revenue.

McKenna would be lucky to get an interview.

Ha.

Are you aware of who the current manager is?

 

[MikeH72]

All of the players? Really? All of them?

So I’ve not imagined that the majority of Everton team sheets since 2017 have started with Pickford Coleman Keane? That Calvert Lewin hasn’t been the main striking option for the majority of that time period, that Idrissa Gueye hasn’t been first choice midfielder for most of that time?

Then there’s the likes of Siggurdson and Doucoure who have all been in squad after squad under multiple managers for a long time.

Even if you want to get petty about individual names, which I’m sure you will, and try and make this point about Dyche, which you have, even though it isn’t, the problems are the same even if the players are different.

It’s not as though we only made the mistake of buying slow injury prone crap players for too high a price once is it? Surely even you aren’t one eyed enough to look past that.

Change the name all you want:

Schendierlin, Gueye, Allan, Gbamin, Delph, Doucoure, Barry, Besic - they’re all slow and injury prone and most of them can’t handle a football

Calvert Lewin Rondon Tosun Sandro Rooney Beto Maupay - most are slow, injury prone, most can’t handle a football

James, Bernard, Siggurdson, McNeil Iwobi Townsend Gray Harrison Cleverley Kone - James was obviously exceptional but none of them have any pace (except Gray who was lazy) loads of them were injury prone.

Are you seeing the point yet or do you need to be hammered over the head with it before you just auto vomit some anti Dyche nonsense?

Ok. Typing multiple paragraphs of drivel rather than just one doesn’t give your point any more credibility. Why are you reeling off lists of players that Dyche has never even met in his life let alone managed? Kone and Cleverley even pre-date Moshiri, where on earth have you dug them out from?

Only Pickford and DCL remain of the first choice players that have been here since 2017. Coleman plays 5 games a season so he doesn’t count. Keane is 3rd choice, should be 4th choice or preferably nowhere near the football club anymore but is because the manager loves him.

Tarkowski, Young, McNeil, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Harrison, Gana and Garner are all players that have come into the starting XI post-Ancelotti. All of them are players that this manager rates and plays ahead of others, and would probably want to hand pick to sign if they didn’t already play for us. Doucoure was here under Ancelotti but again this manager loves him and plays him ahead of players we’ve signed since, so that does your point that he’s making do with loads of crap players from past regimes no favours either.

For years you tried gaslighting us on here that Tom Davies, Holgate, Sigurdsson, Keane and Gomes were the problem. Well they’re more or less all gone now and our results haven’t improved. In fact we’re worse now than when they were all in the team. Why is that?

Anyway, he’ll be sacked soon.

 

[JLW]

Can't say I have ever been convinced by Silva tbh, he has one way of playing which when it works, it really works but when it doesn't his teams usually get battered. last season they had something like 10 games where they conceded 3 or more goals. Played the same 4-2-3-1 formation the whole season because he is a stubborn so and so, I find it funny its being suggested he is some sort of progressive tactician, he is anything but that.

Yeah he is not great but id take him over the other lot of deadbeats

 

[Jokerdan]

Many of our issues stem from not letting the manager/DoF get on with their jobs due too an interfering board above them. Also if you are going to employ the DoF model then let them pick the person they want to work with and not the owner/chairman.

That's an indisputable fact and it has certainly been the Everton 'way' ever since Moshiri rocked up with his mate Joorabchian whispering sweet nothings in his ear.

 

[derek duvall]

All of the players? Really? All of them?

So I’ve not imagined that the majority of Everton team sheets since 2017 have started with Pickford Coleman Keane? That Calvert Lewin hasn’t been the main striking option for the majority of that time period, that Idrissa Gueye hasn’t been first choice midfielder for most of that time?

Then there’s the likes of Siggurdson and Doucoure who have all been in squad after squad under multiple managers for a long time.

Even if you want to get petty about individual names, which I’m sure you will, and try and make this point about Dyche, which you have, even though it isn’t, the problems are the same even if the players are different.

It’s not as though we only made the mistake of buying slow injury prone crap players for too high a price once is it? Surely even you aren’t one eyed enough to look past that.

Change the name all you want:

Schendierlin, Gueye, Allan, Gbamin, Delph, Doucoure, Barry, Besic - they’re all slow and injury prone and most of them can’t handle a football

Calvert Lewin Rondon Tosun Sandro Rooney Beto Maupay - most are slow, injury prone, most can’t handle a football

James, Bernard, Siggurdson, McNeil Iwobi Townsend Gray Harrison Cleverley Kone - James was obviously exceptional but none of them have any pace (except Gray who was lazy) loads of them were injury prone.

Are you seeing the point yet or do you need to be hammered over the head with it before you just auto vomit some anti Dyche nonsense?

Your usual rambling hypocritical nonsense posts blaming the players.

Weird how you never seem to support or praise the players, instead dedicating your time to go after anyone who has the audacity to criticise your lord and saviour. Very weird

 

[chicoazul]

 

[Saint Domingo]

Ok. Typing multiple paragraphs of drivel rather than just one doesn’t give your point any more credibility. Why are you reeling off lists of players that Dyche has never even met in his life let alone managed? Kone and Cleverley even pre-date Moshiri, where on earth have you dug them out from?

Only Pickford and DCL remain of the first choice players that have been here since 2017. Coleman plays 5 games a season so he doesn’t count. Keane is 3rd choice, should be 4th choice or preferably nowhere near the football club anymore but is because the manager loves him.

Tarkowski, Young, McNeil, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Harrison, Gana and Garner are all players that have come into the starting XI post-Ancelotti. All of them are players that this manager rates and plays ahead of others, and would probably want to hand pick to sign if they didn’t already play for us. Doucoure was here under Ancelotti but again this manager loves him and plays him ahead of players we’ve signed since, so that does your point that he’s making do with loads of crap players from past regimes no favours either.

For years you tried gaslighting us on here that Tom Davies, Holgate, Sigurdsson, Keane and Gomes were the problem. Well they’re more or less all gone now and our results haven’t improved. In fact we’re worse now than when they were all in the team. Why is that?

Anyway, he’ll be sacked soon.

The point is simple which you keep ignoring.

If we keep buying terrible players for managers, then the results will continue to be poor.

They have been pre-Dyche, they have been during Dyche, they will be post Dyche.

It’s not been one team of poor players, its years of poor recruitment.

I don’t know why you can’t understand this.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Yeah, he was, about 15 years before the achievement I referenced. That's why I specifically said "Graham Taylor circa 2000."

Even when he came back he was great at getting Watford back into the PL.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

Anyone take Marco Silva back?,older,wiser more experienced to deal with our basket case of an organisation nowHe always speaks highly of us as a club.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

We’ve had every single profile of manager possible since Moyes left.

Possession based philosophy of ultra optimism

Experienced European name with prem experience, disciplinarian

Relegation specialist

Up and coming progressive Portuguese tactician

One of the best managers of all time

Disciplinarian tactician with experience

Ex great player up and coming promising manager

Pragmatic experienced PL manager.


Apart from one season under Martinez and 6 months under Ancelotti, they’ve either all largely failed against their targets at the time, or they’ve achieved them but the fans hate them regardless.

At some point perhaps the fans need to look at other factors at the club rather than obsessing over the profile of the manager..

Or maybe Moyes was just a very good manager? Ferguson, McLean and Walter Smith all rated him very highly.

His performance at West Ham shows he is the best candidate for a club in our situation.