The return of David Moyes

[Nymzee]

Why would TFG do that?

Because it would be smart?

 

[Toffeeback]

I mean I literally just said I had a concern as to how well the appointment would be received and you’ve replied twice as if I accused him of being a cannibal or something. If anyone just wants to complain, it would appear to be you.

I was referring to the people to whom you also were referring ("how well the appointment would be received"). That was my point - you were saying people needed somebody to get them excited or else they wouldn't receive it well (i.e. they would complain), and I pointed out that that's not likely to be possible right now. Then I said that people were also complaining about the apparent strategy of keeping Dyche. Therefore, there are complaints if they don't fire him and complaints if they do fire him.

Where was I directly talking about you as the complainer?

My argument was against this general sentiment of angst against the new owners on here today. Basically, they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Settle down, fella.

 

[indieman1]

I'm a bit nonplussed by all of this.

This is the master plan they've been working on since summer? Another 5 months (at best) of no discernable progress anywhere on the footballing side? Which players are Moyes and his ragtag coaching team going to improve? How does this take us towards a defined long term style of play? Who the hell is going to want to join in the January window under these circumstances? Why today? Why do it in such a classless fashion?

I was really hoping we'd be moving away from decision making of this sort.

By all means, kick Dyche to the curb but not for this. Talk about exhausting goodwill in short order.

 

[Lowste]

I put Yes…..

I might change it to No in the morning

I have no clue who or what is best for Everton anymore

 

[Lanolin]

Thankfully for me i can remember the Joe Royle era. He was a decent manager for us, he'll a decent enough job and he'll bring us a little bit of stability.

The first sentence in your post sums up everything that's gone wrong at Everton post 1987 sadly.

Great days when we were losing at home to York and Bradford and spending our transfer budget on Claus Thomsen.

 

[Lob]

He hasn't been appointed yet and TFG have already shown they can be quite unpredictable. Anything can happen really.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

I get the disappointment if Moyes is the pick and if he's intended to be the manager for the next 2+ seasons or whatever. I really do.

But I don't see any real indication of that. Multiple journalists are reporting that it's an initial contract to the end of the season. If that's true, I can't quite understand the level of fume here.

Because these are the options as I see it, given where we are in time:

1) Hire a short-termer to make sure we don't get relegated (who better that's available and willing than Moyes?) and then keep the options open for getting one of our true first choices in the summer

or

2) Hire one of our second choices now (keeping in mind that the only ones available are ones who aren't in another job somewhere else - which might be an indicator of their desirability) and turn the whole multi-year project over to them going forward

I think #2 is what they're desperately trying to avoid. So #1 seems the clear winner here. It's a really long way away from next season's first match at BMD. If Moyes is leading us out then, I might be singing a different tune. But I don't think that's nailed in stone, even if he signs on tomorrow.

If it IS until the end of the season then we’re losing the Jan window to either no transfer activity or more scattergun nonsense under a coach who has no incentive to improve us for the longer term.

If it is NOT a short-term deal then we’re ushering in an era under new ownership and in a new stadium under a dinosaur that left the club 12 years ago.

My hopes for this club in these circumstances would be that we’d be after a manager in the mould of 2002 Moyes, ie an up-and-comer with something to prove and years ahead of them, to move the whole project forward. I did NOT, personally, want us to go for actual David Moyes, who is old and boring.

All feels a bit like 2:50am in the Krazy House all over again, and they’re playing Scar Tissue by RHCP and bringing the lights up.

 

[Neiler]

The reality is we are where we are. We need someone who's available and going to be (relatively) inexpensive. Is it exciting? No. Can he help us stay jm the division and give the new owners a foundation to build on? Absolutely. If he can have us safe this year, mid table next year then I'd absolutely take that.

I’m excited!

He gave us:

Baines
Coleman
Jags
Lescott
Arteta
Pienaar
Mofro
Super Tim Cahil
Landon Donovan
Rooney
Vaughan
Barkley

I’m tired of watching awful players boss, so f’kin tired.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

We literally had Benitez as manager mate, nothing ever gets more divisive than that.

Nothing more Everton these days, than justifying a managerial appointment that is somewhere between dreadful and uninspiring by saying “at least he’s not as bad as the last guy.”

 

[Toffeepot]

Didn't happen.

Dyche is never a man to walk away from this situation.

The fact you're prepared to swallow that says more about you.

I 100% think he did
What it says about me is I saw a man who 'couldn't take the team further', had very little interest in football between Burnley and Everton and dusted off the old playbook for a payday so was not married to the job, was looking increasingly out of ideas, not getting results, fans and media beginning to turn and not getting his contract renewed either. What reason had he to stay? You Dave? Were your idolising notions about him enough for him to ignore everything and stay when he had nothing to gain and something of a reputation to lose?

 

[Connor]

Oh DAVEY MOYYEEEESSS

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

So excited by all this, can’t wait to limp over the line to safety, probably bring a dvd out called HEAVEN 17th or something to celebrate. Then we move to our world class new stadium and on the opening day of the season the South stand unfurls a giant BEIGE cardigan in homage to our dreary overlord

What’s wrong with cardigans?

 

[Toffeeback]

If it IS until the end of the season then we’re losing the Jan window to either no transfer activity or more scattergun nonsense under a coach who has no incentive to improve us for the longer term.

If it is NOT a short-term deal then we’re ushering in an era under new ownership and in a new stadium under a dinosaur that left the club 12 years ago.

My hopes for this club in these circumstances would be that we’d be after a manager in the mould of 2002 Moyes, ie an up-and-comer with something to prove and years ahead of them, to move the whole project forward. I did NOT, personally, want us to go for actual David Moyes, who is old and boring.

All feels a bit like 2:50am in the Krazy House all over again, and they’re playing Scar Tissue by RHCP and bringing the lights up.

And I completely agree, in a perfect world. 100%. And I think that's what they'll be looking for in the summer.

But we're in January, and I've yet to see anyone mention who's on this long list of up-and-coming, dynamic managers that they've turned down in order to go with Moyes instead. I don't believe that list is very long at all.

 

[wainy]

I’m excited!

He gave us:

Baines
Coleman
Jags
Lescott
Arteta
Pienaar
Mofro
Super Tim Cahil
Landon Donovan
Rooney
Vaughan
Barkley

I’m tired of watching awful players boss, so f’kin tired.

Fwiw I'm not against him coming back. I'd have loved Mourinho, would have been great fun, but realistically, in the position we are in I think this is a sensible appointment. And he had an eye for a bargain, which after the madness of the last 8 years will be very welcome.

 

[NathDogg]

See all his mates in the ex uk pundits club are pushing for dour davey to come back.

I hope TFG look broader and more ambitiously personally.