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The return of David Moyes

Happy or not

  • Yes

    Votes: 271 25.3%

  • No

    Votes: 365 34.0%

  • Meh. Needs must.

    Votes: 436 40.7%
  • Total voters
    1,072
  • Poll closed .
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windymiller said:
He constantly talked us down. He was the main reason Kenwright was able to con so many in the media, and even in the fan base, that "best of the rest" was all we could hope for, for so long. When the Premier League started, we were one of the big beasts, between Kenwright and Moyes we became mice. He was a symptom, I'll grant you, Kenwright was the disease, but Moyes was a willing participant in turning us from one of the great clubs of English football to an irrelevance.
He tried to run that game at Man Utd and quickly found out it wouldn't fly. He'll be managing expectations from day one on his return. He will never demand more from the ownership. He's a company man. He works for them, not for us.
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Bluewolf said:
Wtf you on about?

We were a joke of a club before Moyes came here and we've been a joke of a club since he left. We spent most of the 90s battling relegation and most of the time after Moyes.

Moyes gave us our self-respect back.

It's the weirdos who are obsessed with hating Moyes because he left us and their small club mentality that's making us irrelevant.
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windymiller said:
Our small club mentality?!

What screams big club more than appointing David Moyes, the man who crashed and burned at the only big job he ever had. He's the epitome of small club mentality. He's a small man, with small ideas and you'll turn on him within 2025, I guarantee it.
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I am not sure which way to turn and would require some guidance.

@davek?
 
He saved us from relegation and subsequently got us in to the top 6 on a regular basis, and he did all that on a shoestring budget. The 2009 run to the FA Cup final will live long in the memory.

A succession of high profile managers have spent literally hundreds of millions of Pounds on players - and none of them have been able to get as close as Moyes did to the Champions League or to winning a trophy.
 
Bluewolf said:
Wtf you on about?

We were a joke of a club before moyes came here and weve been a joke of a club since he left. We spent most of the 90s battling relegation and most of the time after moyes.

Moyes gave us our self respect back.

Its the weirdos who are obsessed with hating moyes because he left us and their small club mentality thats making us irrelevant.
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This!
 
If You Know Your History said:
As an old fart, I've physically seen us play in nine finals at Wembley. I've also seen us win various cups and the league four times. I've also seen Goodison with 70,000+ plus inside it. I know what a huge club we can be.

However, the Premier League years (decades now!) have been desperately poor. The only success we've ever had during the PL years was under Moyes: a top 4 finish, regularly qualifying for Europe, that run to get to the 2009 FA Cup final, wins away at places like Nuremberg etc.

And he did all that on a shoestring budget. He saved us once before and he will save us again.

We had some wonderful nights at Goodison under Moyes, from our first defeat over Man Utd for over a decade in 2005 to the 3-0 win over the RS in 2006. Goodison will be bouncing again on Wednesday night!
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I guess I'm a bit older still, as I don't consider any of those things noteworthy achievements. Success is not getting to finals, it's winning them. And before you make out that winning things is impossible for us, because that's basically what Kenwright and Moyes have brainwashed you into believing, teams like Portsmouth, Leicester, Swansea, Middlesbrough and Birmingham have won trophies during the same time frame that Moyes was our manager.
 

Rothanaa said:
I’m in the same boat, in my 30s and Moyes was the ONLY consistent manager we had. Martinez had that great season in 2012 but faded away badly. People against the idea, what are the alternatives? Moyes understands and gets Everton. Hope we back him in the transfer market and we can build this club.
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Been a fan since 88. Not doing any cartwheels at Moyes's appointment, but after Royle, it was Moyes's tenure that provided me the most satisfaction being an Everton supporter. The years in between (walker, smith, etc) were quite dire. Barring Martinez's 72 point season, it's been pretty dire too up to now.
 
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As I recall Bobby Bown shoes did well the first season as the defence had been drilled by Moyes

As to the future who knows a steady mid table would be nice
 

windymiller said:
Me too. I want us to be better than Moyes can make us. He spent nearly half a billion quid at West Ham and only managed to score more open play goals than us, nobody else. He's better than Dyche, but not loads better. We should have aimed higher.

Much higher.
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I agree.

However, I wouldn't be averse to him on a short-term contract though if our top target is not available right now, whoever that might be.
 
windymiller said:
Me too. I want us to be better than Moyes can make us. He spent nearly half a billion quid at West Ham and only managed to score more open play goals than us, nobody else. He's better than Dyche, but not loads better. We should have aimed higher.

Much higher.
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There are a few things about Moyes that used to really bug me and, from what I saw at West Ham, I'm really not sure if it has changed:

1) He was awful with substitutions (an Everton manager trait tbf), nearly always negative (the Weir sub), nearly always too late.

2) Would always play favoured lieutenants who were amongst the worst players in the team over others (Neville and Hibbert spring to mind).

3) We never pressed high enough or aggressively enough. We tended to press between our own box and the half way line - far too negative.

4) Linked to the above - my biggest bugbear of all. When he wanted to see out a game, he always had us stand off and drop deep in effectively two banks of 4 to defend our box. This used to drive me mad. The amount of late goals we would concede from shots from outside the box from this tactic. Go back and actually watch it - it's insane. Everybody from Lee Hendrie to Drogba seemed to smash a late one in against us.

5) He did not value pace at all. We had so few pacy players who would get into attacking positions during his 11 year tenure. I believe he only signed Bent, Johnson, Coleman and Mirallas with genuine pace, yet used to play on the counter. Obviously, this would be the easiest to fix through different recruitment methods.

6) He had no idea how to identify or use a striker. The only really good one he signed was Yakubu. He used to get all strikers running the channel, whether it was Bent or a lump like Beattie. Saha, was massively overrated and only had one good season. I've heard people say: "if only he'd have had Lukaku." He would have had him running the line all the time (which would work occasionally, as Martinez did against Arsenal) but he lacked the technical ability to do that. Yakubu, had a great touch, a little burst of pace and was a good passer, as well as a good finisher. I think over 11 years his use of strikers was utterly horrendous and it continued to be at West Ham - persevering with Antonio because he'll run the channels over getting better players in.

7) Bigging himself up at the expense of the club - knife to a gunfight, plucky little Everton etc. Drives me mad and has stuck around ever since.

For the record, Moyes had lots of good qualities too and is miles better than Dyche. But I used to hate these things about him and have seen no evidence that any of these aspects have changed. I'm not even that bothered about the Utd move and the Baines thing - which seems to be the one sticking point for people. I am really not looking forward to this stuff again - and I know some of our other managers have done plenty of these things too.
 

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