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The summer 2013 Everton transfer rumourZ thread

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Timak said:
I've watched Wigan. They let in 73 goals in 38 games and only scored 47. It might make their games attractive for neutrals but it isn't so great when your team are being hit for nearly 2 goals a game.Kone did indeed have a very good game up against Heintinga. Doesn't mean he is worth spending all our transfer budget on.
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well said
 
njligernj said:
Maybe I am misunderstanding you here but "zero risk" in category three is simply not remotely true. There is a very real risk that we could buy a young player and he just turns out to be not good enough and he essentially washes out with no value (or negligible). It happens all the time; it's not only not zero risk it is in fact MORE likely than him increasing in value. Are you seriously suggesting every 21-23 year old purchased is a success?
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You're misunderstanding me.

Category three is essentially "during the contract with us will you get old enough that no-one else will buy you unless you're RIDICULOUSLY good". In Kone's case, that chance is very high... for someone in their early twenties the chance is as low as can be.

The situation you're describing fits into what I called category two: "during the contract, will your performance on the field raise YOUR value?" - I agreed with you in advance by conceding that this is more difficult to predict in younger players than it is in older ones.

However, all other things being equal, a 33 year-old average player is worth very little whereas a 24 year-old average player will always be worth more.

So £5m on Kone is more of a risk than £5m on an up-and-coming 20/21 year-old, because if they both simply perform adequately over a three or four year stretch Kone has no resale value whereas the younger alternative has some at least.

It's all academic if he signs though; put on the royal blue and I'll support you until you prove you don't deserve it.
 
Azza said:
But but but we have better players so it won't be as bad for us.
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We have well coached players.

The likes of Baines, Jagielka and Coleman were all ****ged off when we first started playing them. Over several years of intensive coaching they have turned into excellent defenders. My worry with Martinez is I've not seen any improvement at all in Wigan's defensive play over his time in charge.
His favoured style of defending with Wigan simply did not work consistently but he never changed it. This has always been my main concern with the appointment.
 

Timak said:
I've watched Wigan. They let in 73 goals in 38 games and only scored 47. It might make their games attractive for neutrals but it isn't so great when your team are being hit for nearly 2 goals a game.

Kone did indeed have a very good game up against Heintinga. Doesn't mean he is worth spending all our transfer budget on.
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This is a good point. Aside from their games against us, all I saw of Wigan was a few mins every few weeks on MOTD... can anyone point to any games NOT involving Everton where Kone played particularly well? Presumably ours were NOT the only defenders he ever bullied? He's got some prem experience, what did he actually deliver?
 
Tree13 said:
This is a good point. Aside from their games against us, all I saw of Wigan was a few mins every few weeks on MOTD... can anyone point to any games NOT involving Everton where Kone played particularly well? Presumably ours were NOT the only defenders he ever bullied? He's got some prem experience, what did he actually deliver?
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He was boss against Huddersfield in the FA Cup.

Plus I don't think he bullied our defenders - just Heitinga.
 
GWED ROBERTO LAAAA.

Kristof Terreur ‏@HLNinEngeland 11m
Junior #Malanda, target of #EFC and #FFC, has terminated his contract at Z. Waregem, using the (Belgian) act of 78. He s a free agent now.
 

MartSlinger said:
GWED ROBERTO LAAAA.

Kristof Terreur ‏@HLNinEngeland 11m
Junior #Malanda, target of #EFC and #FFC, has terminated his contract at Z. Waregem, using the (Belgian) act of 78. He s a free agent now.
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I hope we're looking at him, but cue the people who start moaning when he goes to a different club.
 
The Wigan team that won the Cup and got relegated cost just over 8m. That is an incredibly small amount of money for a premiership club and it is not possible to sustain premiership status with that level of expenditure.
It is very difficult to criticise a club for conceding so many or scoring so few when the manager has such meagre resources to work with.
 

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