davek
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In fact she got an apology from the trust at an earlier stage.
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark...
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This nurse Letby case
- Thread starter davek
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Something is rotten in the state of Denmark...
Rita_Poon
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I believe it was an apology from a consultant or two early doors.
But the die had been cast. Wen the finger is pointed, it is very difficult to retract and then forget.
Gimme a day, there's a couple of other cases needs mention here.
Hinchcliffe's Corner
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I think hospital incompetency doesn't excuse that she still murdered babies. Both can be true and that's how I see this has played out.
NilSatisOptimum
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Not just the legal process i know little about that. What I do know is the NHS, and when it wants to protect itself will set about contructing it's own truths. Seen too many good people thrown to the wolves. Not saying she is totally innocent of what she has been found guiltily of. However, would not surprise me it's pinned other bad care on her just because they can.
Harryflashman
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I wouldn’t argue with that idea but the internet makes everything a conspiracy now , from the woman who drowned to the lad lost in Spain . Lately it’s that a highly respected KC is some rubbish legal rep who can’t do his job , it’s fanciful in my opinion .
I’m not saying that I’d bet my life on the evidence presented, I am saying that I don’t believe the police and CPS snuck exculpatory disclosure evidence passed her legal time without incident but various internet experts are onto it .
Yarrgh
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Unfortunately we see all too many times that injustice is done. Is Letby guilty? I believe that the right verdict was returned at the time. Do I believe that the NHS trust was covering their own mismanagement of this - having seen the Countess of Chester's level of care - absolutely.
I also trust that if any discrepancies are found, then given the high profile of this case, there will be the correct level of challenge and review.
Unfortunately, there's probably a lot of lower profile cases that will never get such scrutiny. Just look how long it took for the post office scandal to be looked at and that was relatively large scale.
I also trust that if any discrepancies are found, then given the high profile of this case, there will be the correct level of challenge and review.
Unfortunately, there's probably a lot of lower profile cases that will never get such scrutiny. Just look how long it took for the post office scandal to be looked at and that was relatively large scale.
Buzzing I didn’t have to do this
davek
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"...the internet makes everything a conspiracy now".
Lol.
There's bona fide legal and statistical experts writing scholarly papers and filing newspaper copy completely ripping up the methodology used to convict Letby. But they all must be 'in on the conspiracy' too, I suppose.
As for this utter mush that those doubting the her innocence are claiming she had a legal team who didn't know their arse from their elbow...absolutely no serious commentator on this case has made such a claim. That's merely a straw man argument put up by those dragging their feet in embarrassment at having thrown Letby to the wolves and not wanting to recognise a miscarriage of justice has taken place here.
They were in fact a very good legal team. They kept their powder dry by not challenging and countering substantially in the courtroom itself last year the circumstantial and largely nonsense evidence placed forward by the prosecution team by bringing in their own expert witnesses at that time - knowing that it was such a febrile atmosphere, where the tide was completely against Letby's acquittal, that'd it would have been a waste of time doing so. That's a strategy that's paying off right now. The media are slowly - like an oil-tanker beginning to turn - coming round to recognise the possibility / probability of a miscarriage of justice on the basis of statistical evidence that's demolishing Letby's conviction and revealing it to be nowhere near the 'beyond all reasonable doubt' test it had to pass.
Just like that poor nurse in Holland who was released under similar circumstances, though, she'll have to wait a long time before the arrogance of those in power admit their mistake and wait for a politically expedient moment to exonerate her - and then start the long process of placing the blame exactly where it belongs: on failing and lying institutions.
What a 'kin world.
Lol.
There's bona fide legal and statistical experts writing scholarly papers and filing newspaper copy completely ripping up the methodology used to convict Letby. But they all must be 'in on the conspiracy' too, I suppose.
As for this utter mush that those doubting the her innocence are claiming she had a legal team who didn't know their arse from their elbow...absolutely no serious commentator on this case has made such a claim. That's merely a straw man argument put up by those dragging their feet in embarrassment at having thrown Letby to the wolves and not wanting to recognise a miscarriage of justice has taken place here.
They were in fact a very good legal team. They kept their powder dry by not challenging and countering substantially in the courtroom itself last year the circumstantial and largely nonsense evidence placed forward by the prosecution team by bringing in their own expert witnesses at that time - knowing that it was such a febrile atmosphere, where the tide was completely against Letby's acquittal, that'd it would have been a waste of time doing so. That's a strategy that's paying off right now. The media are slowly - like an oil-tanker beginning to turn - coming round to recognise the possibility / probability of a miscarriage of justice on the basis of statistical evidence that's demolishing Letby's conviction and revealing it to be nowhere near the 'beyond all reasonable doubt' test it had to pass.
Just like that poor nurse in Holland who was released under similar circumstances, though, she'll have to wait a long time before the arrogance of those in power admit their mistake and wait for a politically expedient moment to exonerate her - and then start the long process of placing the blame exactly where it belongs: on failing and lying institutions.
What a 'kin world.
I`ve said this before, but I find it mind blowing that the NHS doesn` have a dedicated investigation department in every hospital trust area.
If there`s alleged offences committed within a trust, whether in a hospital, clinic or community, it`s down to untrained staff to carry out the investigations.
It`s just madness and no wonder stuff gets missed or brushed under the carpet.
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Hinchcliffe's Corner
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Dave, this two paragraphs absolutely contradict themselves, if her legal team are actually decent, why are people on the internet making such scholarly claims that her legal team wouldn't then use them in her defence? Or is because a lot of it is simply absolute
davek
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I dont understand your question.Dave, this two paragraphs absolutely contradict themselves, if her legal team are actually decent, why are people on the internet making such scholarly claims that her legal team wouldn't then use them in her defence? Or is because a lot of it is simply absolute
Hinchcliffe's Corner
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Why aren't her legal team using this "bona fide legal and statistical experts writing scholarly papers" in her defence if they're so clued up?
davek
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There isn't a retrial yet is there?
No, but there`s been an appeal, where this formed part of the appeal and was subsequently dismissed.