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This nurse Letby case

Damo_1878 said:
You're wrong on this Dave. You've been wrong many times before.

You like to take a contrarian view but I'll put one point to you.

Letby's QC/KC's in the original trial presented two witnesses?

It's been portrayed as evidence of her innocence by people like you, because she "didn't get a fair trial"

However, that is a fallacy. She did have the opportunity to call more witnesses. They declined to, probably because they may have implicated her or made her case weaker. That was their decision and no one else's.

So by all means keep putting forward fallacies. She's recently been convicted again of a attempted murder in a full retrial. By a new court and jury. That should be telling you something.
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that does happen in these retrial in the media cases, these are put forward as 'new' witnesses and that their evidence could have been crucial at trial but was shockingly 'never heard' and therefore the verdict is unsafe. A good reason for that is that their counsel didnt want their evidence in chief (which is what is then later presented in the media) as it wouldn't stand up to the scrutiny of a cross examination (that the media coverage wont give as the media's job is to tell a story, 'a version' of the truth).

I dont know enough to say whether shes guilty or not as I didnt sit through the original trial nor do I have insight as to genuine new and unheard evidence (as opposed to evidence that was known but was not aired at trial for possibly the reasons above).

The hysteria that is being generated does show an awful lot of the public know nothing about how the justice system works and that is quite concerning/sad.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Lucy Letby inquiry: 'Tubes dislodged' during placement at other hospital

Lucy Letby worked two placements at Liverpool Women's Hospital in 2012 and 2015.
www.bbc.co.uk

Babies' breathing tubes were dislodged at an unusual rate during Lucy Letby's placements at Liverpool Women's Hospital, the public inquiry into her crimes has heard.

"This is not something that is happening all the time", he said.

"It is unusual, and you will hear that it occurs generally in less than 1% of shifts."

The audit found that there were recorded incidents of the tubes being dislodged on 40% of the shifts Letby worked at Liverpool Womens' Hospital.

Mr Baker said: "In light of what we know now, we might wonder why.”
 
GrandOldTeam said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Lucy Letby inquiry: 'Tubes dislodged' during placement at other hospital

Lucy Letby worked two placements at Liverpool Women's Hospital in 2012 and 2015.
www.bbc.co.uk

Babies' breathing tubes were dislodged at an unusual rate during Lucy Letby's placements at Liverpool Women's Hospital, the public inquiry into her crimes has heard.

"This is not something that is happening all the time", he said.

"It is unusual, and you will hear that it occurs generally in less than 1% of shifts."

The audit found that there were recorded incidents of the tubes being dislodged on 40% of the shifts Letby worked at Liverpool Womens' Hospital.

Mr Baker said: "In light of what we know now, we might wonder why.”
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Looks like the continuing conspiracy by the whole of the NHS against her continues apace.
 

According to Private Eye, the main prosecution "expert" was a long-retired clinician who contacted the authorities asking if they felt like prosecuting because he felt like being in the limelight ...
 
Sean Ashley said:
Are you going to link the story? I can't seem to find story.

Also the CPS don't prosecute on a random phone call.
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I'm providing an exaggerated summary of their claim. It is an article in the most recent edition of Private Eye and probably heavily protected by copyright. I guess anyone who wants to read it needs to cough up for a copy.1632_big.webp
 
davek said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Lucy Letby: Experts raise doubts about medical evidence presented in court

Doctors and scientists' concerns contribute to speculation about the safety of the nurse's convictions.
www.bbc.co.uk
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I think this is the problem Dave. The (probably very few) people who could have given a balanced view of things weren't asked. They only realised they were needed when it was too late. The glory seekers looking to get involved in a juicy conviction had smelt blood and the pack descended ...
 

tonyhorne said:
I think this is the problem Dave. The (probably very few) people who could have given a balanced view of things weren't asked. They only realised they were needed when it was too late. The glory seekers looking to get involved in a juicy conviction had smelt blood and the pack descended ...
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Im looking at this Thirlwall Inquiry now ongoing and it's a cruel sham that the families of those affected are being put through.

The credibility of the evidence against the person convicted has been questioned that much that it's a hollow show of trying to double down on the wrong conclusions drawn from ropey evidence designed to protect the powerful in the Countess of Chester Hospital.
 

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