Time for change

[WilliamPerry]

Not a moron, I want Bielsa who is on the edge of being the next one sacked. He will terrorise our crap players. So there Moron.

Bielsa wouldn’t last 5 minutes at finch farm

 

[TimHowardsBeardJuice]

Question for me is, is there another manager out there who will do better with the players we can put on the pitch right now.

Answer for me is no.

The bill is coming due for years of bad acquisitions and overspending. The lack of depth is going to be the same no matter whom is on the touchline. I believe that we have to tough it out.

 

[PhilRegan]

Not a moron, I want Bielsa who is on the edge of being the next one sacked. He will terrorise our crap players. So there Moron.

People think Benitez is untouchable. The job bielsa has done is better than anything we've had in the last 6 years.

 

[barneygumble]

So if we keep losing games we stick with him. For how long. We have won 1 in 9. 1 pt in 6..
You can't keep losing games and keep your job .

No you’re right. But success rarely happens over night.

Our problem is far beyond what Benitez is doing. Ancelotti couldn’t get them performing.

It needs overhauling, and I’m just curious, who we can realistically get who’s going to be an improvement, don’t like seeing us lose, but we’ve been knee jerk before and the only common denominator is that the players are still here.

 

[everton1953]

Question for me is, is there another manager out there who will do better with the players we can put on the pitch right now.

Answer for me is no.

The bill is coming due for years of bad acquisitions and overspending. The lack of depth is going to be the same no matter whom is on the touchline. I believe that we have to tough it out.

Methinks you are talking sense while the rest of us are talking crap.

 

[Goat]

EVENING TOFFEES

Personally, I wouldnt sack him, we have had a terrible injury crisis all season and we are currently in the middle of a toe-curling fixture list.

As Mikey says above, see what happens if we ever stop having players dropping like flies.

Sure a new manager would come in with different ideas and might do things better, but lets see how bad it is at the end of Jan for now, I mean I think it will pretty, pretty bad, but lets see.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Not a moron, I want Bielsa who is on the edge of being the next one sacked. He will terrorise our crap players. So there Moron.

Bielsa can't get a tune out of his players who wanted to work like dogs, no chance our mercenaries work how he wants. Another manager that would be thrown under a bus in a matter of games.

 

[barneygumble]

Personally I think us getting beat by Brentford on Saturday will be the final straw for many and the derby will seal his fate.

It’s going to be carnage.

For many, the derby was something to dread purely because of the appointment.

In the Event That we’re struggling and they’re flying, all that’s going to happen is they’re going to rub salt in the wounds and a fan base already divided by the manager is just going to turn toxic.

Next time up, Goodison is going to be horrible… regardless of the Brentford result.

 

[blue to the bone]

No you’re right. But success rarely happens over night.

Our problem is far beyond what Benitez is doing. Ancelotti couldn’t get them performing.

It needs overhauling, and I’m just curious, who we can realistically get who’s going to be an improvement, don’t like seeing us lose, but we’ve been knee jerk before and the only common denominator is that the players are still here.

Its not all on him . I totally understand that. But if a team keeps losing games it is the manager who loses his job. And we are currently on a terrible run . Personally I think the Derby will make or break him. Who could we get . I don't know . But if results don't improve the question will have to be asked

 

[Papa Shango]

The problem with the way football is now is that many people want instant gratification for their opinion, one way or another. In our case people want us to sack benitez iregardless to the situation at the club.

You could argue it is an extremely toxic attitude to have , to dismiss the quality of the squad or ignore it entirely for that instant gratification.

When you look back, Silva's first season in charge, we had at least a 2 month period , could have been 3 months even that we didn't win. This is exactly what he did at Watford the year before which led to him being sacked. People generally wanted to give him more time , and he was then sacked 10 months later.

Martinez third season in charge. We went from September to February with the only wins in the league against the bottom 3 , one of which (Newcastle) only just stayed up. So it was 6 wins in 5 months before we beat one of them again and then beat someone else. Martinez was then not long sacked.

The point I'm trying to make here is that these managers also got time before they were sacked but they had something that benitez hasn't had, money. Silva had 2 summers before he wasn't good enough. Martinez had a further 3 months before he was sacked. All these managers had money to spend before they were deemed not good enough. Martinez even brought in niasse on his way out for what was a big amount for us at the time.

So if we sack managers after giving them time and money , how on earth can we sack a manager who hasn't had either? Even better , is tasked with achieving better with a team that is made up of past failures that have resulted in sackings by the ones who signed them?

If we sacked benitez now , without time or money, this club has hit rock bottom as far as I am concerned. There is no coming back from that , to not give a manager time or money to even stamp his own image onto the pitch. It's laying the blame on the manager officially and not the years of mismanagement elsewhere. It won't matter anymore the quality of the player we sign , no matter what the blame will only be left with the manager.

So expect many more iwobis at the club because a manager without time or money being blamed justifies the 28 million spent on simply being managed poorly.

We hit rock bottom the moment we appointed him. Nothing even against him just the owner thinking that the appointment was the one we needed.

As for giving people time, in theory its spot on, but it doesn't work like that. The fans are not sitting there looking at spreadsheets and weighing things up carefully, it's an emotive sport, they will turn on him because they don't like him in the first place. You cant stop that, it's just being human.

Appointing him was stupid and incredibly risky, but to compound that by getting him in when we had no money to spend and a rubbish squad was just crazy the more you look at it.

 

[T LEAFE]

Unfortunately Benetiz is the best bet we would have available to save us from relegation.
Sacking him now could be even worse in the short term
Aim is this season to stay up

 

[barneygumble]

Question for me is, is there another manager out there who will do better with the players we can put on the pitch right now.

Answer for me is no.

The bill is coming due for years of bad acquisitions and overspending. The lack of depth is going to be the same no matter whom is on the touchline. I believe that we have to tough it out.

It’s depressing that we’re in this state.

£500m wasted. A manager dividing opinions and realistically a scenario where we can’t get anyone who will actually overhaul the squad.

We have to tough it out, but very concerned by the next 6 games.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Question for me is, is there another manager out there who will do better with the players we can put on the pitch right now.

Answer for me is no.

The bill is coming due for years of bad acquisitions and overspending. The lack of depth is going to be the same no matter whom is on the touchline. I believe that we have to tough it out.

This is exactly right, I remember under Moyes there was a period of time where injuries would make us better as the team would then pick itself, it was like there was too many options to keep them happy.

The difference is that one player could be swapped for another without too much loss. Now the drop in quality isn't steep, it's effing vertical.

 

[WilliamPerry]

Serious question . Since moyes left how much do you think we have spent on hiring and sacking managers ?

 

[Roachey11]

Part of the problem over the last 6 years or so is that it's constantly been 'time for a change'. We are a very bad team though and a couple more spankings may well speed up another change.