Today’s Football 2020/21 Season

[MrGrumpy]

So answer why doesn't a striker just do that in a game all the time?

Also...name another time a goal like that had happened?

Also...VAR ruled that the second Ming's touched it, it was the 2nd phase. The attacker getting "onside" doesn't come into it cos he doesn't have to get onside.

If Mings heads the ball towards goal is Rodri offside? The answer is NO, hey why DCL scored earlier this season after the ball came of an opposition player

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Exactly this.
He didn’t play for us. He just picked up his wages each week.
Apart from Danny Mills he is the most hated ex player at City by far.
An absolute bell end.

Joey Barton??

 

[kenada_blue]

If Mings heads the ball towards goal is Rodri offside? The answer is NO, hey why DCL scored earlier this season after the ball came of an opposition player

As pointed out before...that means the ball has been played by the opponent.

• A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

Which a lot of people's interpretation (hence the debate) is that if Rodri received the ball, that would be onside. However, he didn't receive the ball, he tackled and engaged to win it back from an offside position.

So if a defender heads it backwards, it bounces off him to go backwards etc it would mean they're onside. Ming's didn't do that.

It's a mess. Or the interpretation is.

Cos no one can answer why a striker just doesn't do what Rodri did last night all game if it's not offside.

 

[matty1878]

If Fernando hears about you goosing his missus in Huyton your days will be numbered mate lol

it’s real as well lol he’s a beast

 

[YoboCopter]

it’s real as well lol he’s a beast

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Joey Barton??

Whilst Joey Barton is a total and complete tool he has never said anything bad about us and actively supporting the opposition team we are playing when commentating on the game on TV. Last night McManaman was a disgrace. He audibly groaned everytime Villa missed a chance and towards the end of the game when talking about Villa he actually said 'we'. The BT coverage is bad. Really bad. McManaman, Ferdinand & Owen?

 

[Jamo Martinez]

90 million pound world cup winning midfielder scores

never understood why some people thought he was crap

his vision at times is unbelievable and he scores some screamers as well

You've summed him up perfectly with the bits in bold. I've never thought he was crap or lacked ability. Just incredibly overrated. Great players do it regularly and against the best.

James McFadden scored some worldies and Leon Osman had some really good games. If we forget the times they stunk the place out we can call them great.

I know you haven't said he's great but a lot of people do.

 

[number4.]

90 million pound world cup winning midfielder scores

never understood why some people thought he was crap

his vision at times is unbelievable and he scores some screamers as well

I suppose the challenge is the inconsistency. He can be unplayable at times & when he is in the mood he is obviously world class, the challenge is at times he is literally "unplayable" when he goes through a spell of phoning it in, no effort, no tracking back & no urgency.

 

[catcherintherye]

I suppose the challenge is the inconsistency. He can be unplayable at times & when he is in the mood he is obviously world class, the challenge is at times he is literally "unplayable" when he goes through a spell of phoning it in, no effort, no tracking back & no urgency.

This might sound harsh, but I do wonder if there's soem racism in play with Pogba. To me he's a luxury player, who tend to be hot and cold. We tend to view black footballers as destroyers and pbysically very strong, so he's held to a different standard. I wonder if there is a subtle racism there, in that he would be judged differently? I don't know.

He could be the best player in the league, and he wins United games on his own a lot. The word "world class" is banded about too much, but him and Fernandes are both world class.

 

[Brisan123]

Even the ‘only kids wear named footy shirts’ arl arses on here would be strolling round town in the summer wearing a named up Ramos shirt.

I got my first ever named up Everton shirt at Christmas
James 19 on the back
I am 60 and could not be arsed what anyone says

 

[Brisan123]

McManaman again. Switched straight off.

He went mad over the first goal claiming offside and went mad ver the penalty saying it never was
Wrong on both counts
A plonker of the highest order

 

[Old Blue 2]

Not sure if it has been said yet, but the offside rule has for a long time been intended to prevent a player from gaining an advantage by being in an offside position. The offside player has begun the process of closing down Mings before he touches the ball, thus still being offside while making a proactive play on the ball.

As we have seen many times before, you don't need to actually touch the ball to be offside, so if he is closing down while offside the flag should go up, in my opinion anyway.

It was a different phase of play as Mings took control of the ball and intended to play out with it. AT that point, the Man City player had moved to an onside position and could therefore involve himslef in normal play again.

How long do we have to wait until a player in an onside position can involve himself in the play again? 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 seconds. Once you are onside and a different phase of play starts, you are NOT offside!

 

[number4.]

This might sound harsh, but I do wonder if there's soem racism in play with Pogba. To me he's a luxury player, who tend to be hot and cold. We tend to view black footballers as destroyers and pbysically very strong, so he's held to a different standard. I wonder if there is a subtle racism there, in that he would be judged differently? I don't know.

He could be the best player in the league, and he wins United games on his own a lot. The word "world class" is banded about too much, but him and Fernandes are both world class.

I think it is certainly a fair question, especially when it comes to punditry surrounding him & for sure has an influence on the wider perceptions.

But it is also clear he phones it in when he is not in the mood, he pretty much said as much in his interview last night, which really must be a bit of a nightmare for a coach, it's one thing having a lazy winger but a Centre mid field not bother can kill you. So I would argue both can be true.

 

[Brisan123]

if we are being realistic we know that liverpool are probably the favourites to win the league and at some point will go on a run of games where they just keep winning

the best best of challenging them for the title is city simply because the other teams are just too inconsistent to put up a realistic challenge

i would therefore prefer city to beat villa today based on the realistic long term target

I think Jordan has ensured that is no longer the case

 

[Lanolin]

As pointed out before...that means the ball has been played by the opponent.

• A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

Which a lot of people's interpretation (hence the debate) is that if Rodri received the ball, that would be onside. However, he didn't receive the ball, he tackled and engaged to win it back from an offside position.

So if a defender heads it backwards, it bounces off him to go backwards etc it would mean they're onside. Ming's didn't do that.

It's a mess. Or the interpretation is.

Cos no one can answer why a striker just doesn't do what Rodri did last night all game if it's not offside.

Of course that can be answered; it's because it would be a rubbish tactic. It might get you the occasional chance but nowhere near as many chances as you could get by staying onside and playing the game normally. It's a bizarre line of argument.

I think the law was interpreted correctly. I think it's a rubbish law, but I don't really see why people are so surprised by it, this might be the first goal scored from this exact situation but stuff like this happens literally every week. Defenders having to make clearances because somebody is offside but the ball then going to someone else who scores is effectively the same thing, the player only played at the ball because someone was offside but they end up being punished for it. It's the way the rule has been for ages now. Again, I don't like it at all but I think they were right to allow the goal with the rule the way it's written.