Today’s Football 2021/22 Season

[TheBigIguana]

There is literally no rule. Italian people can travel to England, without isolating.

British residents can not travel to Brazil. Stop being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

But there is also nothing stopping England from making one. It's not argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, I think it is a legitimately bad thing to punish Argentina for anything that happened and I also think it is a legitimately bad thing for international sport to just say "Oh well, that's the rule!" when a government imposes a sanction that weakens a traveling team.

 

[Nymzee]

But there is also nothing stopping England from making one. It's not argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, I think it is a legitimately bad thing to punish Argentina for anything that happened and I also think it is a legitimately bad thing for international sport to just say "Oh well, that's the rule!" when a government imposes a sanction that weakens a traveling team.

The sanction isn’t there to affect sports though it’s to affect ANYONE coming from those countries be it work or travel.

 

[TheBigIguana]

The sanction isn’t there to affect sports though it’s to affect ANYONE coming from those countries be it work or travel.

I'm not arsed about the reason, it is a totally legitimate reason, but the problem is it DOES effect the sport and that means the sport authorities need to remedy that.

For the record the whole thing is bad. Nigeria just had to play a qualifier without the PL players and I think that is wrong too just less people interested in Nigeria and Cape Verde. This World Cup cycle is a complete farce now tbh.

 

[Nymzee]

I'm not arsed about the reason, it is a totally legitimate reason, but the problem is it DOES effect the sport and that means the sport authorities need to remedy that.

Or the sporting authorities just follow the rules like everyone else would. Serves them right for ignoring the rule or not even bothering to find out if there was one. Idiotic on their part.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Or the sporting authorities just follow the rules like everyone else would. Serves them right for ignoring the rule or not even bothering to find out if there was one. Idiotic on their part.

Again, don't think it is on for Argentina to not be allowed to use their preferred players on the basis of a rule outside those for the competition, but apparently that's just me!

 

[Nymzee]

Again, don't think it is on for Argentina to not be allowed to use their preferred players on the basis of a rule outside those for the competition, but apparently that's just me!

Yes it is just you which should ding a lightbulb in your head that you’re wrong.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Yes it is just you which should ding a lightbulb in your head that you’re wrong.

Nah. I have a tough time with falling in line.

 

[TheBigIguana]

The sanction isn’t there to affect sports though it’s to affect ANYONE coming from those countries be it work or travel.

Just did some additional reading and this is incorrect. Brazilian passport holders are fine to do as they please. So Brazil can call up whoever they want and their opponents can't.

I know, the law isn't about sports, but that is wholly unfair and no lightbulb in my head is changing that one.

Should the Argentines have tried to get in and play anyway? No, but CONMEBOL or FIFA dropped the ball.

 

[barneygumble]

Just did some additional reading and this is incorrect. Brazilian passport holders are fine to do as they please. So Brazil can call up whoever they want and their opponents can't.

I know, the law isn't about sports, but that is wholly unfair and no lightbulb in my head is changing that one.

Should the Argentines have tried to get in and play anyway? No, but CONMEBOL or FIFA dropped the ball.

The reality is, it’s the legal law.
We don’t know for certain that other countries don’t have certain sanctions.
Where necessary, FIFA should at least know after all its their responsibility to protect the welfare of each confederation they oversee.

Why would they not consult Brazil? Why would Argentina not consult FIFA? Why would Argentina not consult Brazilian authorities.

All I’m seeing here is Brazil having a law and Argentina trying to bend it, and hoping FIFA turn a blind eye.

 

[TheBigIguana]

The reality is, it’s the legal law.
We don’t know for certain that other countries don’t have certain sanctions.
Where necessary, FIFA should at least know after all its their responsibility to protect the welfare of each confederation they oversee.

Why would they not consult Brazil? Why would Argentina not consult FIFA? Why would Argentina not consult Brazilian authorities.

All I’m seeing here is Brazil having a law and Argentina trying to bend it, and hoping FIFA turn a blind eye.

The problem is, and I get that for you and Nymz this seems to not matter, that government laws, no matter how reasonable, should not make an international teams players ineligible and the game just go ahead as usual.

 

[Yank]

I don't think drawing up quarantine rules that cut out part of an opponent's squad is on

I think you're taking it as though these rules targeted argentina for a competitive advantage.

Brazil's government has been a trainwreck for at least a decade. They put england on their redlist as a tit for tat kind of thing because England rightfully put them on it because covid has been out of control there.

I'm also pretty sure those players left against the clubs will. The club doesn't have to release them but cannot actually physically stop them from going. The players also didn't disclose that living in England part... wonder why?

The Brazil health ministry definitely over stepped and took a power grab from my understanding the federal govt, Brazil and Argentina's FA's reportedly reached an agreement where the 4 English based players wouldn't play or be on the sidelines. They'd stay in the lockerroom.

Somewhere things went sideways, because I don't believe argentina was gonna live up to their side of the deal and we all saw what the health ministry was hell bent on doing.

This wasn't for a competitive advantage, and even though Brazil has a great football/sport culture, they've been getting some flack from citizens for the government money poured into these things for the World Cup and Olympics.

I think the health ministry/ some in the government were probably weary of this and weren't going to allow for 2 sets of rules, one for footballers and one for everyone else. Or at least allow that perception to exist - that's all just my 2 cents, speculation based on nothing but what I know from a far.

I personally think the best solution is you tell the two FA's get your bleep together, you set a date during one of these windows already established, or no one gets any points. Seems like the fairest thing to do in my opinion. Both FA's are at fault to an extent in my opinion.

 

[Yank]

The answer for me is that the number has to be 0. I think it was four? But for me FIFA should be setting the number at zero or the match is moved.

Again I get COVID makes things wild but it sort of sets a bad precedent. If the visiting team can't bring all of the players it wants the match should be moved elsewhere.

But this all gets away from the main point which is Argentina forfeiting for something outside of the football laws is a farcical outcome.

What country is gonna just have 30, 40, 50 some odd people based in all different areas of the globe come in to play a dumb game so it can be "fair".

I'm sure some country would, but to me that would be fifa and football taking advantage of another bad government for footballs benefit at their citizens expense. Don't agree with that all.

These are strange times, things aren't going to be perfect. Everyone is dealing with this stuff, it's not gonna be as fair as we'd like because of that. Just gotta accept it and move on. Bigger more important things.

 

[Yank]

Just did some additional reading and this is incorrect. Brazilian passport holders are fine to do as they please. So Brazil can call up whoever they want and their opponents can't.

I know, the law isn't about sports, but that is wholly unfair and no lightbulb in my head is changing that one.

Should the Argentines have tried to get in and play anyway? No, but CONMEBOL or FIFA dropped the ball.

The fact Brazilian passport holders can do as they please has nothing do with anything. I'll use citizenship and constitutional law as my baseline, it's widely recognized that people who are not citizens are not guaranteed all the freedoms citizens are.

It is what it is. The law was made in retribution for England passing quarantine restrictions on people coming over from Brazil. It was not written up to prevent Argentina from using 4 guys. Why not just do it to Spain if this is the goal?

You've seemed more prepared to make an argument than the Argentina FA was. They didn't check anything just assumed it was the same protocols as copa america, and for that they deserve a very fair share of the blame.

This rule was in the headlines for the last 2 weeks regarding pl players. If you got some to break ranks and come play, then you gotta take care of this stuff.

But if you know anything about the argentine FA, which I believe you do, then you'd know that it is just terribly ran, terribly organized. Just all round awful and inept, that Chapocenese (sp?) plane that went down without enough fuel was the same carrier they used to use. Some shady cheap company. The coaches, this, everything they do is just cheap and half assed.

 

[TheBigIguana]

The fact Brazilian passport holders can do as they please has nothing do with anything. I'll use citizenship and constitutional law as my baseline, it's widely recognized that people who are not citizens are not guaranteed all the freedoms citizens are.

It is what it is. The law was made in retribution for England passing quarantine restrictions on people coming over from Brazil. It was not written up to prevent Argentina from using 4 guys. Why not just do it to Spain if this is the goal?

You've seemed more prepared to make an argument than the Argentina FA was. They didn't check anything just assumed it was the same protocols as copa america, and for that they deserve a very fair share of the blame.

This rule was in the headlines for the last 2 weeks regarding pl players. If you got some to break ranks and come play, then you gotta take care of this stuff.

But if you know anything about the argentine FA, which I believe you do, then you'd know that it is just terribly ran, terribly organized. Just all round awful and inept, that Chapocenese (sp?) plane that went down without enough fuel was the same carrier they used to use. Some shady cheap company. The coaches, this, everything they do is just cheap and half assed.

Yeah I know all that. And yet I still feel like way too much blame is going to Argentina and not the combination of Brazil FA, Brazil health authorities, Brazil government at large, and the governing bodies of football who just seem to have ignored the whole thing.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

But there is also nothing stopping England from making one. It's not argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, I think it is a legitimately bad thing to punish Argentina for anything that happened and I also think it is a legitimately bad thing for international sport to just say "Oh well, that's the rule!" when a government imposes a sanction that weakens a traveling team.

It weakened their own team aswell. Ederson, Gabriel Jesus, Richarlison, Firmino and Fabinho are pretty regular starters for Brazil.

If Brazil had made a law which only applied to opposition players (or foreigners in general) then, yes, it would be shady.