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Today’s Football 2021/22 Season

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TheBigIguana said:
I'm from the new age. I don't really care if they did it differently in the 1990s.

The second part isn't a good example at all. And while I agree where a set play starts and ends is fluid and up for debate I also think that ending it the second someone touches it after the corner or free kick very much misses the point of classifying it as something different than standard play. When I say not my consensus what I mean is the places that count things like set play goals categorically do not view it that way.
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It's like a free-kick: you can score a free-kick or from a free-kick; they are not mutually one and the same. The first, it's a dead ball situation - a clear definition.

The latter, the ball comes into play and players attack the ball. Statistically, they're not defined the same. If I head a free-kick in, I've not scored a free-kick have I?

Would it be marked in any specific way apart from a header? No, because it was in open play. It was like that 20 years ago and this morning when I played.
 
PhilM said:


It's like a free-kick: you can score a free-kick or from a free-kick; they are not mutually one and the same. The first, it's a dead ball situation - a clear definition.

The latter, the ball comes into play and players attack the ball. Statistically, they're not defined the same. If I head a free-kick in, I've not scored a free-kick have I?

Would it be marked in any specific way apart from a header? No, because it was in open play. It was like that 20 years ago and this morning when I played.
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I honestly don't follow that at all. Yes you can break set plays into different types but they're all still set plays? Is that what you're on about?

A corner for me is still a corner until the teams return to something resembling their normal shapes. If the ball comes out immediately and is put back in for me that's still a corner. I appreciate you disagree but I'm defining based on the positioning of players and not how the ball is set.
 

TheBigIguana said:
I honestly don't follow that at all. Yes you can break set plays into different types but they're all still set plays? Is that what you're on about?

A corner for me is still a corner until the teams return to something resembling their normal shapes. If the ball comes out immediately and is put back in for me that's still a corner. I appreciate you disagree but I'm defining based on the positioning of players and not how the ball is set.
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A corner is a corner, yes. But once it's played, the ball is open play. Simple. You said you'd like Toney to score from open play and he has. Simple.

Unless he's scored a penalty or directly from a free-kick or corner, he has scored a goal when it's in open play.

While we may subgroup goals 'from' set pieces slightly differently (e.g. Burnley score headers from set play etc.), it's still a different situation from a dead ball.

If Gylfi took a corner, it came out and he scores the rebound he has scored in open play albeit originally from a dead ball/corner. That's how it's always been.
 
PhilM said:
A corner is a corner, yes. But once it's played, the ball is open play. Simple. You said you'd like Toney to score from open play and he has. Simple.

Unless he's scored a penalty or directly from a free-kick or corner, he has scored a goal when it's in open play.

While we may subgroup goals 'from' set pieces slightly differently (e.g. Burnley score headers from set play etc.), it's still a different situation from a dead ball.

If Gylfi took a corner, it came out and he scores the rebound he has scored in open play albeit originally from a dead ball/corner. That's how it's always been.
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It's not how it is now. When places add up set play goals and tweet out graphics saying who has scored the most that is not what they'll be talking about. They'll be defining it how I do.
 
TheBigIguana said:
It's not how it is now. When places add up set play goals and tweet out graphics saying who has scored the most that is not what they'll be talking about. They'll be defining it how I do.
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Really?

So when I played with about thirty other men this morning and our striker tapped in a ball that dropped from a set-play we didn't think it was in open play?

He scored a free-kick? Strange, all these people who've grown up playing football and watching football must be wrong because statisticians say otherwise.

Oh well.
 

PhilM said:
Really?

So when I played with about thirty other men this morning and our striker tapped in a ball that dropped from a set-play we didn't think it was in open play?

He scored a free-kick? Strange, all these people who've grown up playing football and watching football must be wrong because statisticians say otherwise.

Oh well.
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Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Sorry.
 
PhilM said:
Great. I'll send a memo to the thousands at next week's Norwich game that they've understood football wrong.
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Believe it or not there are plenty of people who disagree with you too. I know the football is football and should never change crowd feel they have divine authority over the game but there are other ways to see it.
 

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