Blues Harp
Player Valuation: £60m
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Today's Football 2018-19 Season
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Yid4life
Player Valuation: £35m
I don't recall that but I may well have said it.
That's is one of the best things about Spurs at the moment (all down to Pochettino) is the sense of unity and togetherness at the club.
I would rather win a cup with this group of players than win the league with a bunch of mercenaries assembled for £1bn over the course of two seasons.
Blues Harp
Player Valuation: £60m
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4a4a9928-aa24-11e8-8404-0bee60a6f70d
Crystal Palace roll out free loans for lower divisions — but only if they play
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Martyn Ziegler, Chief Sports Reporter
August 28 2018, 12:01am, The Times
Palace see the scheme as a way of securing first-team football for their youth players JOHN SIBLEY/REUTERS
Crystal Palace have become the first club in the Premier League to offer loan players to lower division sides for free, but only if they are picked for the team.
The offer has been sent to all clubs in Sky Bet League One, League Two and those in the National League. It was made amid growing discontent among lower-league sides at the amount that top-flight clubs are charging for loan players.
A Palace source told The Times that the move was seen as a way of ensuring that as many of their young players as possible experience first-team football.
Mark Bright, the club’s director of under-23 development, has written to the club chairmen outlining the new policy of sending out loan players without seeking any contribution to their basic wage. If, however, the loan player does not start a match for any reason apart from injury, then Palace will expect a contribution of half his weekly wage.
The Times revealed last week that clubs in Leagues One and Two had raised concerns with the EFL’s leadership about the rising costs that Premier League sides were imposing when they sent players on loan.
One chairman has called for a cap on the amount they will pay towards a top-flight player’s wages, while another, Edin Rahic, of Bradford City, suggested that lower-league clubs should be allowed to develop formal relationships to become feeder clubs for Premier League sides.
The EFL is considering several ideas to reduce tension over the issue and may push for Palace’s example to be taken up more widely.
About 80 Premier League players are expected to be on loan at EFL clubs when the loan transfer window closes at the end of this month, with a third of those at Championship sides.
Arranging loans is a factor in the negotiations between the FA, Premier League and EFL over work permits for overseas players after Brexit. The Premier League wants work-permit restrictions relaxed so that any foreign player can be given a permit if offered a contract, but the FA is keen for more young English players to be given first-team opportunities.
Crystal Palace roll out free loans for lower divisions — but only if they play
exclusive
Martyn Ziegler, Chief Sports Reporter
August 28 2018, 12:01am, The Times
Crystal Palace have become the first club in the Premier League to offer loan players to lower division sides for free, but only if they are picked for the team.
The offer has been sent to all clubs in Sky Bet League One, League Two and those in the National League. It was made amid growing discontent among lower-league sides at the amount that top-flight clubs are charging for loan players.
A Palace source told The Times that the move was seen as a way of ensuring that as many of their young players as possible experience first-team football.
Mark Bright, the club’s director of under-23 development, has written to the club chairmen outlining the new policy of sending out loan players without seeking any contribution to their basic wage. If, however, the loan player does not start a match for any reason apart from injury, then Palace will expect a contribution of half his weekly wage.
The Times revealed last week that clubs in Leagues One and Two had raised concerns with the EFL’s leadership about the rising costs that Premier League sides were imposing when they sent players on loan.
One chairman has called for a cap on the amount they will pay towards a top-flight player’s wages, while another, Edin Rahic, of Bradford City, suggested that lower-league clubs should be allowed to develop formal relationships to become feeder clubs for Premier League sides.
The EFL is considering several ideas to reduce tension over the issue and may push for Palace’s example to be taken up more widely.
About 80 Premier League players are expected to be on loan at EFL clubs when the loan transfer window closes at the end of this month, with a third of those at Championship sides.
Arranging loans is a factor in the negotiations between the FA, Premier League and EFL over work permits for overseas players after Brexit. The Premier League wants work-permit restrictions relaxed so that any foreign player can be given a permit if offered a contract, but the FA is keen for more young English players to be given first-team opportunities.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
They will get Son back and did cope without Kane at times last year although its fair to say most of your concerns are justified imo too.
The biggest factor for me being that its just been a World Cup year and although most of the major contenders were similarly affected, they for the most part have better cover, perhaps not all but most do.
I would suspect it may prove more difficult as the season reaches its latter stages and injuries largely caused through fatigue and no real break kick in.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
'Spurs will push Liverpool & Man City'
Chris Sutton
Ex-Premier League striker on BBC Radio 5 live
Lucas Moura, what a signing. He was not a regular last season and that was down to Son Heung-min's strong performances, but the impact he has made, the pace which has shown, he should have had a penalty in the first half, two fantastic finishes and you see a club in Spurs who have got their recruitment right.
I just wonder what this victory will do for Spurs' confidence? They are a side who do not have a good record against top six teams, but to come and perform in the manner they did especially in the second half, they are going to push Liverpool and Manchester City on the back of this performance.
Oh, wow, didn't take Sutton long to change his stance hahaha what an idiot.
WTF have Liverpool done to be bracketed with City? Spurs have had two genuine title challenges since liverpool last challenged, that’s the same number as Liverpool have had in their entire prem history. Spurs have also finished ahead of Liverpool every season under Pochettino. Where do the media get off with this ridiculous love in.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
With the Mourinho situation, the trouble is, his time at RM broke him despite winning a Spanish title there and only leaving at the end of his contract. Its fair to say his second time at Chelsea had huge success before it fell apart spectacularly so his habit of winning major trophies, even against the odds, and Chelsea were far from favourites, had not completely deserted him at all.
His man-management is not spot on as it once was and his antipathy for the press colours everything too much. But seriously, United have made some bad and expensive mistakes at centre half, Lindeloff perhaps the worst of all and they badly needed to remedy that, so although they've spent they are still short and he had to act but couldn't, so what now?
Pep wanted another CB when he already had Kompany, Stones, Otamendi and they just went and bought Laporte for 55m. He wanted another AM to add to Sterling, Sané, Bernardo so they paid 60m for Mahrez. Otamendi can't get a game now, neither can Sané. Whereas United are still struggling along with Jones and Smalling, Lingard and Mata.
The biggest criticism I have is his seemingly declining man management skills, he never seems to improve a player and an awful lot struggle badly and become seriously discontented. He's always had an abrasive edge and never been an easily liked manager but perhaps he's become more bitter and harsher in his methods.
He has again won trophies even in this stint at United, although not their real targets, and did finish a poor second last year while losing the Cup final, although they were very unfortunate to do so.
He was recruited to win major trophies though and its his misfortune that it is their city rivals that are the team that are beating virtually all before them and setting records.
Similar to his time at RM with Pep at the main rivals Barca, he did though manage a La Liga title at Madrid.
His man-management is not spot on as it once was and his antipathy for the press colours everything too much. But seriously, United have made some bad and expensive mistakes at centre half, Lindeloff perhaps the worst of all and they badly needed to remedy that, so although they've spent they are still short and he had to act but couldn't, so what now?
Pep wanted another CB when he already had Kompany, Stones, Otamendi and they just went and bought Laporte for 55m. He wanted another AM to add to Sterling, Sané, Bernardo so they paid 60m for Mahrez. Otamendi can't get a game now, neither can Sané. Whereas United are still struggling along with Jones and Smalling, Lingard and Mata.
The biggest criticism I have is his seemingly declining man management skills, he never seems to improve a player and an awful lot struggle badly and become seriously discontented. He's always had an abrasive edge and never been an easily liked manager but perhaps he's become more bitter and harsher in his methods.
He has again won trophies even in this stint at United, although not their real targets, and did finish a poor second last year while losing the Cup final, although they were very unfortunate to do so.
He was recruited to win major trophies though and its his misfortune that it is their city rivals that are the team that are beating virtually all before them and setting records.
Similar to his time at RM with Pep at the main rivals Barca, he did though manage a La Liga title at Madrid.
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
I don't really understand. I mean their results so far this season have been better/worst than last season. Think i saw someone say they beat brighton 4-0 last season and struggled past them this season. It's just the media want to believe but spurs and chelsea are definitely stronger.
Blues Harp
Player Valuation: £60m
although Spurs last won the league in 1961lollollollollol
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
If Klopp had won the league cup and Europa in his first season (which he famously didn’t), then finished second and reached the cup final (he didn’t he finished fourth) in his second season then they’d be building a statue of him. Mourinho somehow deserves to be fired though apparently.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Yeah tbf he did win the title in 2015 with a relatively unfancied team, far from favourites, and has since won the FA Cup, Europa League, finished second last year and perhaps unluckily lost 1-0 to Chelsea in the FA cup final.
They didnt play badly at all last night and it was only that weak centre of defence, a weak link he desperately wanted to strengthen pre season, that proved their undoing, it could easily have gone their way in the first 50 mins.
I just find the hysteria after three games absolutely miles over the top, although i suppose it's mainly fueled by his rival's supporters.
Most managers winning that amount of silverware, even so recently, would be celebrated not castigated, but he is condemned with a ludicrously joyous hysteria and completely barmy press just out to make back page headlines as lurid as possible, an agenda he himself adds to tbf with his famed antipathy for the media and rehearsed barbs for the hacks present after the match.
It’s not because of the last 2 games though. Utd have been brought up on good entertaining football and they’re not seeing that. I work with Utd season ticket holders and they’ve been complaining about the the lack of quality football for best part of 2 years. If you think they’re only turning on him after the last 2 games, you’re deluded. They all thought they were getting one of the best in the World, but I think most of them now reckon he’s yesterdays man. He’s thrown the like of Shaw under the bus several times, he’s playing 2 attacking mids at full back, he’s picking arguments with Pogba and Martial through the media. He bought Sanchez and isn’t getting a tune out of him. He brought the 2 CDs for 60m combined, he’s now complaining aren’t good enough. He brought Lukaku in, who most Utd fans now agree isn’t good enough. Brought Matic who many believed to have been the best DM in the League 2 years ago and was gonna be the man to free Pogba up. But he doesnt or hasn’t found a way to get the best out of Pogba. Fred for 52m looks like a bad buy at the moment, early days I know. They have the talent of Rashford to call on, that he doesn’t seem use enough. Take away the lack of quality football played, it’s his divisive nature that seems to be working against him. He’s at war with Woodward, It’s been muted by ex players that he’s not even on speaking terms with some players. It seems to be they’re not giving him 100%. It happened to us under Fat Sham, if the players aren’t pulling for you, it’s only going one way. It’s got nothing to do with ‘entitlement and arrogance’ but everything to do with him slowly strangling the Club. If that’s arrogance and entitlement, you could say the same about our fans last season towards Sam. He kept us up, which was his remit, but we thought we should be battling it out for top6 or 7 playing expansive football, but all we got was god awful football. And we hounded him. Not much difference.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
He also won the CL with a complete outsider (Porto) and another team (Inter) that was hardly one of the favourites. That's why I still think he's a better manager than Guardiola. Not a better coach but a better manager.
Perhaps it is just that Mourinho is better with teams just below top rank (where supporters will happily exchange some style for success) than with the real powerhouses of the game. His problems began at Madrid and that was primarily because beating Pep's Barcelona to La Liga in his 2nd season (and with a goals scored record that is unlikely ever to be beaten) wasn't enough for the Spanish media. RM were 'supposed' to do it by playing more beautiful football than anyone else and whatever Mourinho's attributes may be, creating beauty isn't his aim; his aim is to win. Same at United really; I think his 1st season there was a huge achievement considering what LVG left behind and last season's rise to 2nd in the PL was fair enough as well. But United fans want their team to be better than Pep's City and Mourinho will never be able to do that unless he is given at least as much money to spend as Pep has had. Probably more, because the City that Pep took over was far better equipped than the United Mourinho inherited.
When all the dust has settled and Mourinho has left United, he'll probably take over a team somewhere that is less famous and will do something remarkable with them. But I think he may need to take a year out of the game first. Cool down a bit and get some perspective.
Toast
Player Valuation: £80m
I'd rattle Fellaini.
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