Todd Boehly. A man...who wants an all-star game.

[allen]

Yeah none of us do, there's literally nothing anyone could say to convince you otherwise because then you have to reckon with the idea that actually you aren't some special breed

I don't think we're special. Pretty far from it, to be honest.

I just think we have an identity you don't understand.

That's not your fault - but your combative attitude to that fact is.

I'd offer you some friendly advice to be more sensitive to the culture you're engaging with.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I don't think we're special. Pretty far from it, to be honest.

I just think we have an identity you don't understand.

That's not your fault - but your combative attitude to that fact is.

I'd offer you some friendly advice to be more sensitive to the culture you're engaging with.

If you're telling people you can't get it then you have an inflated view of yourself whether that is your intention or not.

But that's fine: help me understand. Explain to me what I'm missing?

 

[roydo]

If you're telling people you can't get it then you have an inflated view of yourself whether that is your intention or not.

But that's fine: help me understand. Explain to me what I'm missing?

But you never listen.

 

[allen]

I think this is a good way of putting it. I have a fair amount of respect for where the limits of my understanding of English (and Welsh) football fans begins and ends.

What concerns me is that Boehly doesn't. He seems to think that he can export the baseball model to England and have this work out just fine, and seems unaware of the growing pains FSG experienced when trying to do the same thing.

The result is my suspicion that Chelsea is in for some lean times. How long those last probably depends on whether he turns out to be more John W. Henry or Dan Snyder.

It very much is a cliché of the successful American businessman that they are brash, overconfident and imagine they can export their domestic success to other places and cultures.

By no means is that a universal thing, by the way - and I am in no way denigrating any aspect of American culture - sporting or otherwise.

But when someone comes along clanging that cliché bell, people notice it.

 

[DualityNSNO]

If you're telling people you can't get it then you have an inflated view of yourself whether that is your intention or not.

But that's fine: help me understand. Explain to me what I'm missing?

Explain why you think an ASG is what football needs, as a flip? Who will it appeal to? What is the point exactly? When will it be scheduled?

 

[wandyr79]

Yeah none of us do, there's literally nothing anyone could say to convince you otherwise because then you have to reckon with the idea that actually you aren't some special breed

You have to admit that people who have grown up surrounded by British football fans will have a much better insight though into the culture.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Explain why you think an ASG is what football needs, as a flip? Who will it appeal to? What is the point exactly? When will it be scheduled?

No mate explain generally what makes football support on your shores so special.

 

[TheBigIguana]

You have to admit that people who have grown up surrounded by British football fans will have a much better insight though into the culture.

I'm not disputing that at all. I just don't really understand why you all act like it's this special support that isn't similar to other supporters in every sport all around the world.

 

[allen]

If you're telling people you can't get it then you have an inflated view of yourself whether that is your intention or not.

But that's fine: help me understand. Explain to me what I'm missing?

I didn't say "can't get it" I said "don't get it."

He's capable of learning, as is anyone - including you.

I don't have the time or inclination to explain the entirety of English football culture to you, but thanks for the offer I guess.

 

[roydo]

No mate explain generally what makes football support on your shores so special.

Its not special.

Its just different to how you experience football.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Its not special.

Its just different to how you experience football.

That's not how you all act I'm sorry.

 

[Martin Alvito]

He definitely doesn't!

I don't agree, based upon his comments. He's going with a metrics-based approach and wants to grow revenue in part by importing ideas from American sports. The former did not work out well for FSG, in part because (IIRC) they failed to account for the fact that not every player can take their penalties when selecting their initial player recruitment targets.

I doubt Boehly is likely to replicate that particular mistake, but looking at their overpays this summer they seem to be making a lot of the same mistakes FSG did at the outset. The basic problem with the club's current thinking, IMO, is that there's no recognition of the fact that there is effectively a salary cap. Baseball doesn't have one. The other issue that I see is that there isn't recognition of the fact that albatross deals can't easily be moved off the books. That's less of a problem in baseball, where you can spend whatever you want in order to produce success, than it is in footy.

Its not special.

Its just different to how you experience football.

That much is pretty obvious to me. I'm a fairly disinterested observer, as compared to my ties to, say, my university's sports teams. My sense is that your experience is a lot more like that than my experience with respect to footy.

 

[DualityNSNO]

That's not how you all act I'm sorry.

Yeah because you seem to be unable to understand.

There's 0 desire for an ASG. 0 chance to schedule it in the UK, where breaks don't happen (unless, apparently, dirty money schedule a WC mid-season), and games happen once or several times a week already.

What is your suggestion to this being viable and watchable? People don't watch the community shield ffs lol

 

[DualityNSNO]

Also if I wanted to watch a team picked by the "independent" media and fans, which will inevitably be 95% RS players - I'd just watch England. No need for a 'special' game like that.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I don't agree, based upon his comments. He's going with a metrics-based approach and wants to grow revenue in part by importing ideas from American sports. The former did not work out well for FSG, in part because (IIRC) they failed to account for the fact that not every player can take their penalties when selecting their initial player recruitment targets.

I doubt Boehly is likely to replicate that particular mistake, but looking at their overpays this summer they seem to be making a lot of the same mistakes FSG did at the outset. The basic problem with the club's current thinking, IMO, is that there's no recognition of the fact that there is effectively a salary cap. Baseball doesn't have one. The other issue that I see is that there isn't recognition of the fact that albatross deals can't easily be moved off the books. That's less of a problem in baseball, where you can spend whatever you want in order to produce success, than it is in footy.


That much is pretty obvious to me. I'm a fairly disinterested observer, as compared to my ties to, say, my university's sports teams. My sense is that your experience is a lot more like that than my experience with respect to footy.

I wouldn't say there's much of a spending cap on Chelsea mate, yes there is a number but it is so high that it doesn't really handicap them in any way.

I thought when you meant bring a baseball approach you meant to the sport as a whole and that he is not going to do. I'm not so bothered how he runs the club. I do think a defined structure that separates coaching and the front office in a way similar to baseball is probably a good idea so I don't really have an issue there. Using stats to make signings already happens everywhere so that's not even a change.

I don't know I think it'll be fine.

Oh and that last part is what I'm on about. I'm not saying American football fans are the same as the English, I am saying that American fans follow sports in much the same way emotionally for the teams we do have local ties to and therefore a lot of us do in fact get it.