2019/20 Tom Davies

[catcherintherye]

Wow you’ve really taken my post to heart. I didn’t even mean ‘you’ as in the personal you just the general you, I obviously have no idea what you personally thought about Galloway, I thought that went without saying.

My final line didn’t contradict you you’re right, and not did I ever say it did. Yet you still came back with the first line of your post saying that my post said the exact opposite of what it actually said. And despite being pulled up on it you’re still arguing that you were right.

If I ever feel like ignoring someone on here I will, until then I’ll just be a normal person and be happy to read things I agree with and things I don’t. Radical I know. Finally Tolstoy isn’t tedious at all, you should try reading it before you comment, a bit like my post really.

It just a bit odd you opened your post with the suggestion it is "really lazy" and "massively incorrect" to suggest Garbutt and Galloway have regressed over recent years due to loans. I'm not sure either statement really stands up. It's not the first time you have made such similar barbs about posts I've written. If your main purpose was to suggest loans could be good or bad, I'd politely suggest avoiding barbs of the nature described above.

 

[catcherintherye]

If ever a player/club was likely to benefit from going out on loan this season or last Tom Davies is him.

He starred in the less than physically demanding under 23 league but declined alarmingly after a promising start in the prem.

He does not appear physically strong enough nor his skills good enough at present to be an effective midfielder in the top half of the prem.

He would possibly gain confidence and improve his physicality and skills at a level way above under 23 level but not in the red hot prem (championship). If he did not impress at that level we would know 99% he was not up to the prem and sell. If he showed a decent level of form but not enough to suggest he was up to the prem we could sell for a decent figure. If he proved to be an outstanding player at that level he would be given a chance back at Everton the following season.

Its not rocket science, quite a simple way of trying to find what one of your assets is worth and a good way of getting cash for it!

I think Tom is getting to the point, where anything is probably worth a try with him. I would like to see him go abroad though. I'm not sure he needs to be toughened up in the championship, and he has played 100+ games for us. The Bundesliga may be a really good springboard for him.

 

[MikeH72]

Been spicy today on this forum.

 

[Frang]

The same would apply to DCL. Although I think we could get a reasonable figure from a Championship or desperate Prem league club in the next window.

He, unlike Davies has never shown remotely the skills required to be a starter for a team in the top half of the prem.

if a prem club is desperate , then they are quite obv needing goals..

what manager in their right mind will think, 'I know , we sign that DCL from Everton for 19m, he gets one goal every 9 games' ???

 

[Blue Roo]

2 more points/views to consider on whether TD should be on loan

1. We need players in the squad for injuries..obviously, so what should a 3rd,4th string player cost?
Bringing in someone new is going to cost more than TD; is an unknown risk unless you want to reduce that risk by paying a lot more - extra cost without return in playing time unless sustained injuries; and bringing in a player who doesn't know the club also takes time and resources.

2. It not often said but a player can do better in a team with quality around him, do a job so to speak. But may not be able to do so in lower quality team, just like a player that doesn't really fit into a different system or doesn't gel with other players. So you send a player out on loan resulting in loss of confidence and a lower market value based on the struggling loan performance. Not saying this will happen with TD, but it may and for what?
Isn't it better to make the evaluation in house and sell in a couple of seasons with another replacement from the academy hopefully coming through.

 

[brettangellnightporter]

I’ve commented on this before but I just thinks it’s really lazy and massively incorrect to say that Garbutt and Galloway went backwards after loans. Where’s your evidence for that? It’s purely and simply your perception of their ability that changed, not their actual ability.

There’s a reason why we were loaning them in the first place; they weren’t good enough to play for us. If they were that good we wouldn’t have been loaning them out, and in Garbutt’s Case it certainly wouldn’t have been to lower league teams. All that’s happened is you thought they were really good prospects, and when their careers didn’t follow the path you expected, instead of doing what most people would do and thinking you misjudged their ceiling from your limited viewings of them, you decide that the loan has ruined them and they you were actually right to begin with.

Loans are a good idea for many players but aren’t a guaranteed success. They’re also done for many different reasons. Trying to suggest that loans in general are either a good or bad thing is just crazy, it all depends on the circumstances.

Pulis never played galloway. It ruined him when he was at peak confidence.

 

[JimmyK]

Pulis never played galloway. It ruined him when he was at peak confidence.

Is the party line yes. My point is that I don’t agree with that. Why would he be at peak confidence? He hadn’t played for us since December, and only made the match day squad once in the entire second half of the season. We clearly weren’t going to pick him, otherwise we’d have kept him instead of loaning him out. So there’s no reason to believe his confidence would be higher if he’d stayed.

Martinez stopped picking him, unsworth didn’t pick him, koeman loaned him out immediately, and Pulis didn’t pick him. As I said, the logical conclusion is that he just wasn’t that good, the ‘making the story fit what I want to believe’ conclusion is that he was on his way to being a cross between ray Wilson and Brian labone before the evil loan system ruined him.

I think a loan would benefit Tom Davies.

 

[BernieH]

Is there bickering in all the threads today, international breaks eh!

 

[JimmyK]

It just a bit odd you opened your post with the suggestion it is "really lazy" and "massively incorrect" to suggest Garbutt and Galloway have regressed over recent years due to loans. I'm not sure either statement really stands up. It's not the first time you have made such similar barbs about posts I've written. If your main purpose was to suggest loans could be good or bad, I'd politely suggest avoiding barbs of the nature described above.

You’ve conveniently missed out the fact that I said ‘i think’ before those things though haven’t you. So the statements absolutely do stand up because it is, as it says, what I think. I’d politely suggest not holding a grudge because I made a ‘barb’ about a previous post (in which you basically claimed that only you were intelligent enough to understand how good Calvert Lewin was and everyone who disagreed was lacking in mental capacity) but there you go.

 

[catcherintherye]

You’ve conveniently missed out the fact that I said ‘i think’ before those things though haven’t you. So the statements absolutely do stand up because it is, as it says, what I think. I’d politely suggest not holding a grudge because I made a ‘barb’ about a previous post (in which you basically claimed that only you were intelligent enough to understand how good Calvert Lewin was and everyone who disagreed was lacking in mental capacity) but there you go.

Ah ok, so why do you "think" someone who holds the view Garbutt/Galloway regressed is either "massively" lazy or incorrect? It's fine to have an opinion but to use an unnecessary pejorative seems a bit odd.

I have no intention of holding a grudge. And I did absolutely nothing of the sort with the Calvert Lewin thread. You have obviously interpreted it in a completely different way to what was said, again to justifya particular opinion you seem to hold. The same one that has it that someone (i.e me in the post) is massively lazy and incorrect for suggesting that Galloway and Garbutt have regressed.

Have a day off mate and stick to reading what people write not what you seemingly want them to.

 

[Furey1878]

CM is currently too thin to loan out Davies, if he still has not made an impression on the team and JPG is back by Jan then look to give him half a season out on loan.

 

[orly]

You’ve conveniently missed out the fact that I said ‘i think’ before those things though haven’t you. So the statements absolutely do stand up because it is, as it says, what I think. I’d politely suggest not holding a grudge because I made a ‘barb’ about a previous post (in which you basically claimed that only you were intelligent enough to understand how good Calvert Lewin was and everyone who disagreed was lacking in mental capacity) but there you go.

He gets very snide if you pull him up on this, but it's completely correct.

 

[catcherintherye]

He gets very snide if you pull him up on this, but it's completely correct.

Strange as I've never done that.

 

[orly]

Strange as I've never done that.

Yes you did, to Eggs. "I've tried telling them" etc etc

You go on like some football megabrain simply because you are unable to edit your own thoughts. It's patronising stuff.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yes you did, to Eggs. "I've tried telling them" etc etc

You go on like some football megabrain simply because you are unable to edit your own thoughts. It's patronising stuff.

I didn't say I was cleverer than people though did I? It was probably a silly phrase but I have tried to explain my position on Calvert Lewin.

If I come across as some sort of megabrain, I can assure you it's not deliberate. I have a large inability to write in a concise, ordered manner. As you rightly say there's a difficulty to structure thoughts that comes across quite clearly in what I write. The intention is not to patronise, it's just how I find easiest to write.

I appreciate for lots of people it will be long and tedious to read, but nobody forces them to do so and it's fortunately not a marked exam anymore!

I'm quite open to criticism and the majority of it makes me laugh, but I've never said I'm cleverer than anyone else and nor do I believe that to be the case.