2019/20 Tom Davies

[Bullens Rd]

I think Tom has the ambition and drive to make it at Newcastle, albeit as a unique style icon and not a footballer. Get him sold, I'll even drive him there, can't stand the sight of him.

 

[Just me init]

I would counter offer ... 8m just to make sure it happens

Ahahahahahahahaha lol

 

[Kever10]

How so?

Weve got Richarlison, Holgate, DCL, Kean, Gordon and Branthwaite all in and around the team. Also one of the best managers of his generation at the helm.

As for @Kever10 comment about £12mil being too low because "we couldnt even replace him in the squad for less than £15mil" this doesnt make sense to me.

Sangate + Santamaria would be around £12mil and there will be plenty more players such as Koopmeiners as well who could be on our radar.

Also Delph (while a total flop) was £9mil so for a 5th choice centre midfielder there would be a lot of options open to us for £12mil.

Selling Davies gives us £12mil but it also enables us to pay that £12mil for each of the next 5 years due to FFP regulations yet his our books immediately. Meaning we could spend £60mil on other players based on his sale.

In addition to this and the expected loans/sales of Connolly, baningime, besic we would still have Delph, Sigurdsson, Gomes and gbamin on our books.

People may prefer to sell another of these players before Davies (e.g sigurdsson) but if no bids come in what do we do?

If we dont sell centre mids then we'll end up with 5 centre mids before bringing Allan or others which is going to be extremely costly on the wage bill.

£12mil for Davies and two of Sigurdsson, Delph or Gomes going and id be very very very happy.

First of all, if we sign either of Sangare or Santamaria, and they end up being £15m or less, I will be very surprised. It seems as though as soon as a PŁ team is introduced to the bidding for these players they price takes an enormous hike. If we do manage to get either for a low price, then it means that their contracts are due to end, which is the point I made about Davies. Additionally, neither of those players have PŁ experience, and neither are English, which again, are 2 additional reasons why the price for Davies is low. Even Gbamin was £25m, 2 years older and about 70 more appearennces, none in in the PŁ, and seen as it was being used as a stick to beat Davies with Yesterday, a similar return in goals (he had 6 instead of Davies 5, in almost double the games).

Second, I do not understand how selling Davies for £12m allows us to sign £60m worth of players, but assuming you are right, doesn't that mean if we sell him for £20m, we can spend £100m? This is the market we are in now. £20m tends to be the low end of the scale for almost all signings. You use Delph as your example of someone who was less. That was because he was in the last year of his contract and is 30. And look how that turned out.

We massively under value all of our young players on here. Even Walker-Peters was £12m and he's a defender who's played 10 games for Spurs and 10 games for Southampton on loan.

Even if you genuinely believe that is all he is worth, we would get at least the same price in 12 months time when, if things go according to plan, we hopefully have even greater options. He is fine as a squad player and can come in and do a job, while on a relatively low wage. And at this point in time, we cannot afford to replace the entire squad in 1 go. He should be way down the list, unless a bid comes in that is too good to turn down.

£12m is not that.

 

[Zatara]

First of all, if we sign either of Sangare or Santamaria, and they end up being £15m or less, I will be very surprised. It seems as though as soon as a PŁ team is introduced to the bidding for these players they price takes an enormous hike. If we do manage to get either for a low price, then it means that their contracts are due to end, which is the point I made about Davies. Additionally, neither of those players have PŁ experience, and neither are English, which again, are 2 additional reasons why the price for Davies is low. Even Gbamin was £25m, 2 years older and about 70 more appearennces, none in in the PŁ, and seen as it was being used as a stick to beat Davies with Yesterday, a similar return in goals (he had 6 instead of Davies 5, in almost double the games).

Second, I do not understand how selling Davies for £12m allows us to sign £60m worth of players, but assuming you are right, doesn't that mean if we sell him for £20m, we can spend £100m? This is the market we are in now. £20m tends to be the low end of the scale for almost all signings. You use Delph as your example of someone who was less. That was because he was in the last year of his contract and is 30. And look how that turned out.

We massively under value all of our young players on here. Even Walker-Peters was £12m and he's a defender who's played 10 games for Spurs and 10 games for Southampton on loan.

Even if you genuinely believe that is all he is worth, we would get at least the same price in 12 months time when, if things go according to plan, we hopefully have even greater options. He is fine as a squad player and can come in and do a job, while on a relatively low wage. And at this point in time, we cannot afford to replace the entire squad in 1 go. He should be way down the list, unless a bid comes in that is too good to turn down.

£12m is not that.

1: Both Santamaria and Sangare are highly rated and play for Toulouse and Angers who need the money and their fees have been publicised as being circa £12mil if someone wants them. Toulouse just got relegated and need to sell.

2: English or not they are better players with greater potential.

3: Theres a reason Gbamin was £22mil (dont think he was £25mil?) which is because he put in top performances. Theres also a reason we signed him to play and not just put Davies as 1st choice. Also he played CB/DM for all but one season so hes not going to score tens of goals.

4: Not sure why youre mentioning £20mil? Why not say Davies is worth £25mil or £30mil or even £50mil for a failing central midfielder? For the sums its all about FFP...a £12mil sale hits the books which means we can spend £12mil immediately but if we offer 5 year contract it can be amortised as £12mil per season = £60mil.

5: Delph is awful but the point stands that we can replace for £12mil through numerous types of players.

6: If we can get the same price in 12months then we probably could for Delph, Gomes and Sigurdsson. Should we keep them all for 12months and not sign anyone in midfield?

Currently we have 8 midfielders, 3 likely to go (besic/baningime/connolly) leaving 5. Thats still too many if we want to bring 1 or 2 in. We cant choose which of them attracts bids but when bids come in then we need to sell and recycle the funds into better players.

We cant just keep squad players who arent good enough. We have to sell those types and sign starters so the current 1st choices drop to 2nd choice etc.

We have to sell if the offer is real.

 

[welshtoffee]

Just get rid, an absolute crap footballer who despite getting many performances has shown absolutely nothing at all to prove his place.

 

[Carlito]

Just get rid, an absolute crap footballer who despite getting many performances has shown absolutely nothing at all to prove his place.

I'm amazed that anyone would want to keep him around. He's as poor as any of the names we laugh about from 1990s and early 2000s.

Thinking of more recent examples, I don't think he's even as good as someone like Gosling.

 

[Tin-Tin]

If we arnt going to sell him, at least force him to attend Anthony Gordons P.T sessions the weakling

 

[LEONARD]

Rodwell, Barkley, Davies, had high hopes for them all. What a bloody let down.

This is a too common phenomenon at Everton, promising young players who actually go backwards in development.

 

[COYBL25]

This is a too common phenomenon at Everton, promising young players who actually go backwards in development.

Or they just plateau and never kick on, like most young footballers. Hence why so many of them end up in the lower leagues.

 

[billyblue80]

Sell

 

[roydo]

Or they plateau and never kick on, like most young footballers. Hence why so many of them end up in the lower leagues.

Yep. The difference between being a decent young player and being able to play pro level, let alone PL level, is massive, and almost unteachable.

I played footie with a lad who captained an under age England schoolboy team, at Wembley. Couldnt get in the team at Bristol Rovers a few years later. While his best mate was able to play a season or so with Wimbledon, the Vinnie Jones Wimbledon at that. Different class, talent wise, but he had "It".

Dunno what "It" is mind.

 

[Gilbert..]

This is a too common phenomenon at Everton, promising young players who actually go backwards in development.

Or all over hyped to early. Never ever got the rodwell thing. He was a crab from the start. Crab with a good engine. Barkley hasnt changed since day one. Odd bit of brilliance but still a luxury who i wouldnt trust in most games. Even watching him for chelsea recently he still gives the ball away more times than he did here.
Davies was a rough ish diamond. Early on what i saw was a kid with his socks rolled down who could possibly be a peter reid type general. That is now coming on to about 3 years ago. No real development at all.
Like rodwell and barkley. Its time to sell.

 

[COYBL25]

Yep. The difference between being a decent young player and being able to play pro level, let alone PL level, is massive, and almost unteachable.

I played footie with a lad who captained an under age England schoolboy team, at Wembley. Couldnt get in the team at Bristol Rovers a few years later. While his best mate was able to play a season or so with Wimbledon, the Vinnie Jones Wimbledon at that. Different class, talent wise, but he had "It".

Dunno what "It" is mind.

That’s why clubs will pay the big bucks for lads with “ potential “ to keep on getting better, as there’s so few of them around.

 

[roydo]

That’s why clubs will pay the big bucks for lads with “ potential “ to keep on getting better, as there’s so few of them around.

Well not sure they pay big bucks for the potential. Like look at our team. Holgate, Gordon, the lad from Carisle, DCL, even Davies. All have made PL appearances, and even though Davies is in a trough, has played well at times.

The much vaunted United class of 92? Scholes and Giggs were seriously talented, the others worked and were supported and had It. Robbie Savage was released, but still had the stones to fashion a decent career.

But you are correct. Most academy lads dont make the grade.

 

[flibbyflob]

he fits no midfield archetype, I still to this day have no idea what role he fits which I've always said this is his biggest problem and going out on loan would help with that, box to box, defensive mid, deep playmaker type like Gomes or what.

Was thinking this myself. He looked great as a teenager and we thought wow what a prospect but he hasn't improved. To quote Shane Warne about Monty Panesar "He plays every game like it is his first match" which seems to fit with Davies. I think he hasn't been helped by not being given a defined role in the midfield but he doesn't tackle well and doesn't have the passing vision to fit 2 of those roles so he would have to be a box to box type and I think we could easily find better for that role.