Heard he lost him boots as he sold his locker to niasse for a yard glass and some smokes
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Heard he lost him boots as he sold his locker to niasse for a yard glass and some smokes
tbh, it's not looking good for the lad - or anybody else of his age group, given the pressure. Also the fact that Koeman came with a bit of a rep, which could be unfounded, but who knows. Too many knock backs, seeing half fit sicknotes and bang average players, not only getting in but playing poor, will sap the will to keep at it at 100%. It may even lead to - 'Hey XXXXK per week, just keep taking the money'.
he's just turned 18. How in the world is it 'not looking good for the lad'?
There's absolutely no rush at all.
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
I would rather like Tom Cleverley to leave Everton
Not for him, no...not just yet...time soon flys
But;
In our week by week existence it's 5 games with not much to show for them and not the best performances either.
The earlier ones we didn't lose we weren't too Impressive over all.
It won't be too long before - 'He has to assess everybody' has turned into - 'Whatya gonna do now Ron'
How many chances are all the others going to get, before the Kids get a turn (not whole sale 3 or 4 obvs )
or is it how bad does it have to get
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
He will play him when he is ready! He obviously isnt quite ready yet and the manager thinks he would benefit more from playing in the U23s with players of his own age group for now.
If he comes in and plays badly what then?
Better to have tried and failed...and maybe learned from it.
Playing badly hasn't caused too much grief to those who have made a habit of it over 2 or 3 seasons...it goes around and they come around, Lo and behold they're back in.
He needs a 5 game run - (you learn by doing, not by keeping up with Niasse in the U23's) then a rest / re-assessment...and unless he and/or the team were/are dire, another run.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Oh aye yeah, its not affected Barkley at all.
I have said this before about youth players. There is no manager on earth who will steadfastly refuse to play young players if they deem them good enough/ready enough as it is their job that is on the line.
I also think there is more to it than just putting a player into the side if he has the ability. The mental side of things needs to be handled correctly as well. The player may not be ready to handle the pressure of what comes from being in the first team, the change in their lifestyle etc.
Had was given the chance (which is for another thread tbh)
I think it would be a shame if Davies - and maybe one or two others - do not get that chance.
This put the point why give kids a go - much better than I could
Toffeeweb.
Alex Fox
38 Posted 26/10/2016 at 13:08:27
It's also worth pointing out the disproportionate financial value that a few games at Premiership level adds to a player's transfer fee. Even playing a handful of times at the top level seems to translate into hugely inflated valuations.
You only have to look at the fees paid this summer for average young English talent like Ryan Mason (13m) and Jordan Ibe (15m), and dross like Paddy McNair and Donald Love (5.5m combined). A run in the team adds millions to a youngster's worth.
Picking an academy player is simply sensible economics. It's a license to print money.
How much did Ledson fetch this summer? Or Lundstrum? Or Long? How much will we get for Conor McAlaney when he's finally shown the door? My guess is a lot less than they're all probably worth - nominal fees I think they used to call them - because in not ever giving them a chance, we've effectively told clubs that we've ruled out their potential of ever making the cut as Premiership footballers.
There's really no downside to playing youngsters. They've all been playing since they could walk. They're not going to stick it in the wrong goal. One or two homegrown players in each match day squad is not going to get anyone relegated.
But they might just shine. And if they don't then you can bet a Hull or a Villa or a Norwich will happily throw a few million our way to take them off our hands later down the line.
Fair points to my mind.
Toffeeweb.
Alex Fox
38 Posted 26/10/2016 at 13:08:27
It's also worth pointing out the disproportionate financial value that a few games at Premiership level adds to a player's transfer fee. Even playing a handful of times at the top level seems to translate into hugely inflated valuations.
You only have to look at the fees paid this summer for average young English talent like Ryan Mason (13m) and Jordan Ibe (15m), and dross like Paddy McNair and Donald Love (5.5m combined). A run in the team adds millions to a youngster's worth.
Picking an academy player is simply sensible economics. It's a license to print money.
How much did Ledson fetch this summer? Or Lundstrum? Or Long? How much will we get for Conor McAlaney when he's finally shown the door? My guess is a lot less than they're all probably worth - nominal fees I think they used to call them - because in not ever giving them a chance, we've effectively told clubs that we've ruled out their potential of ever making the cut as Premiership footballers.
There's really no downside to playing youngsters. They've all been playing since they could walk. They're not going to stick it in the wrong goal. One or two homegrown players in each match day squad is not going to get anyone relegated.
But they might just shine. And if they don't then you can bet a Hull or a Villa or a Norwich will happily throw a few million our way to take them off our hands later down the line.
Fair points to my mind.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
They will get a chance though! There is no major rush and they have had some games already.
They will be in the team when they are ready to be.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Holgate got a run of games, culminating in a motm performance and was cast aside...Deulofeu (a confidence player) needs a run of games instead of Mirallas.
Davies has shown that hes up to snuff, however were seeing Cleverley get minutes ahead of him.
Not good for competition or morale.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
When has Davies shown that he is up to it?
He looked good in a dead rubber game last season and has had a few minutes here and there.
Dont get me wrong I think he has tons of potential and I hope as much as you to see him play more and more but its not like he has shown enough to be in the team every week. That takes time.
He will get his chance.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
I was comparing him to Cleverley. In my opinion his game time has been just as effective and in the Norwich game he showed more than Cleverley has recently.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Yeah I agree with you but I dont think its a massive drop off or anything.
I can see why Koeman wouldn't put him in the side just yet. personally I would prefer to bring them in when we are in good form, not when we are playing badly.
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