Tom Ince

[bluestevon]

Tubes most players are bell ends. he's only young. If he was our player out on loan doing what he's doing we'd be screaming for him back.

Agreed mate, the simple fact theirs been nothing serious about him unlike say sterling or a few others i could mention, it just all seemed to be he was a cocky kid with a bit of a ego thing thats gone away probably timed with his release tbf

Kinda funny though that people are shouting about getting remy in whose got the rape thing surrounding him whereas a cocky kid gets a no no

 

[Zatara]

Ince and Morrison as the Englishmen please

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

There were many signs when he was at Liverpool that he was a Grade A toss pot, and for our limited finances I wouldn't want to see us risk any amount of money on him.

Not only that, I just don't think he's good enough at all for the Premier League. Liverpool let him go for next to nothing for a reason, and clubs didn't pay the ridiculous money when he went through his little good spell last year, and now it looks like only Swansea are seriously interested in him. You have to remember the level he's at; I'd be expecting him to be tearing clubs apart in a Ronaldo-esque fashion week in, week out at that level to be good enough for us at present.

Martinez has said we don't need to panic buy and bring in personalities who could disrupt the team. I agree with him. Ince for me is too much of a risk for not much possible reward.

33 league goals in 96 appearances for Blackpool. 1 in 3 for a wide player is a fantastic ratio at any level. The lad's a good player & I'd trust Martinez to manage his ego.

Don't forget he's a big fish in a small pool at Blackpool, I doubt he'd arrive at Finch Farm & give it the Billy big bollocks. I couldn't give a knack what he's like in his own time, as long as he's not on the piss or a beak head.

 

[Tubey]

Players let players go all the time and it comes back to bite them on the arse tho mate, pogba and pique and rossi for three examples of that, didnt we also have baines initially too?

No, but we had Jagielka. I take the point but they are exceptions to the rule rather than the norm.

Tubes most players are bell ends. he's only young. If he was our player out on loan doing what he's doing we'd be screaming for him back.

Honestly, I wouldn't. It's like Coleman at Blackpool - he was doing well and looked a talent, but there was no guarantee that'd translate to the Premier League and it's took him a few years to compete as he does now at this level.

Tom Ince was deemed nowhere near good enough for the Premier League at Liverpool at a time when they had no wide players of note at all. Plenty of attacking players have done well in the Championship and floundered in the Premiership. Look at Wilfried Zaha; could easily be a top player but he's not showing it right now.

Just not for me I'm afraid. Don't want anything to do with him, just a gut feeling. He's the next Shawn Wright-Phillips, but at least he had spells where he could do it at the top level.

 

[Jags..class]

No, but we had Jagielka. I take the point but they are exceptions to the rule rather than the norm.



Honestly, I wouldn't. It's like Coleman at Blackpool - he was doing well and looked a talent, but there was no guarantee that'd translate to the Premier League and it's took him a few years to compete as he does now at this level.

Tom Ince was deemed nowhere near good enough for the Premier League at Liverpool at a time when they had no wide players of note at all. Plenty of attacking players have done well in the Championship and floundered in the Premiership. Look at Wilfried Zaha; could easily be a top player but he's not showing it right now.

Just not for me I'm afraid. Don't want anything to do with him, just a gut feeling. He's the next Shawn Wright-Phillips, but at least he had spells where he could do it at the top level.

That harsh on Zaha, had he been given a chance in the premiership, how many games he played?

 

[Groucho]

That harsh on Zaha, had he been given a chance in the premiership, how many games he played?

Yes - Zaha has hardly played I think.

 

[Tubey]

That harsh on Zaha, had he been given a chance in the premiership, how many games he played?

That's my point though - he was hyped to the hills based on his performances for Palace in the Championship, yet he hasn't been deemed good enough to have a look in since he signed despite United needing attacking options badly. Sure, most of that may be Moyes, but it doesn't invalidate the point - a player who looks like a world beater in the Championship can't get a game off the bench in the Premier League.

 

[mkrudden]

Yes - Zaha has hardly played I think.

But there will be a reason for that, surely?

 

[bluestevon]

That's my point though - he was hyped to the hills based on his performances for Palace in the Championship, yet he hasn't been deemed good enough to have a look in since he signed despite United needing attacking options badly. Sure, most of that may be Moyes, but it doesn't invalidate the point - a player who looks like a world beater in the Championship can't get a game off the bench in the Premier League.

Moyes didn't deem Barkley good enough either though mate, i'm pretty sure if ferguson was still their he would have featured a lot more

 

[Groucho]

But there will be a reason for that, surely?

Not wishing to rehash old arguments or even state the obvious, but probably the manager (Moyes).

 

[Tubey]

Moyes didn't deem Barkley good enough either though mate, i'm pretty sure if ferguson was still their he would have featured a lot more

As I said, it could be the Moyes effect, but he's playing Januzaj...

All I'm saying is Tom Ince is far from guaranteed to be good enough to play for a team looking at the top four in the Premier League. We have a negative net spend under Billy Liar and a £4m+ outlay is sizeable for us. For me, Tom Ince isn't worth the massive gamble it'd be.

 

[runlikehell]

If the manager wants him that is good enough for me!

sign him up bobby!

 

[bluestevon]

No, but we had Jagielka. I take the point but they are exceptions to the rule rather than the norm.



Honestly, I wouldn't. It's like Coleman at Blackpool - he was doing well and looked a talent, but there was no guarantee that'd translate to the Premier League and it's took him a few years to compete as he does now at this level.

Tom Ince was deemed nowhere near good enough for the Premier League at Liverpool at a time when they had no wide players of note at all. Plenty of attacking players have done well in the Championship and floundered in the Premiership. Look at Wilfried Zaha; could easily be a top player but he's not showing it right now.

Just not for me I'm afraid. Don't want anything to do with him, just a gut feeling. He's the next Shawn Wright-Phillips, but at least he had spells where he could do it at the top level.

Fair play mate, each to their own opinion and i shared yours until i read a little more into it and found theirs nothing really bad said about him anywhere really, as for liverpool letting him go, I'd question a lot of their personell decisions during that time period frankly, was it hodgson or dalglish who let him go actually?

 

[bluestevon]

As I said, it could be the Moyes effect, but he's playing Januzaj...

All I'm saying is Tom Ince is far from guaranteed to be good enough to play for a team looking at the top four in the Premier League. We have a negative net spend under Billy Liar and a £4m+ outlay is sizeable for us. For me, Tom Ince isn't worth the massive gamble it'd be.

Think that Januzaj was just incredibly lucky mate in having a absolute blinder when given the chance ala rooney, unlike say barkley who made a mistake or two, if januz wouldnt have lit the place up his first game who knows if hed have been seen again for 6 months

 

[Groucho]

Is anything certain about this Ince lad?