Usmanov

[Toffee-nerd]

Seeing the pitiful fines dished out to the Super League whoppers we may as well ignore FFP now.

Is right. The system is so weighted in their favour, we are trying to play nice by raising the revenue through new sponsorship deals and a new stadium but you have to question that approach given the top 6 got a fine that equates to less than £70k a week for attempting to destroy English football. They will pay more per week for their reserve goalkeeper.

 

[malcson]

Well, ok, put it this way - the "related party" rule will do something like look at other similar deals that have gone on with NON related parties, and use that as a measure for whether the deal is "fair market value"...

Now in the current climate, whether anyone would ever actually investigate it (so long as it was kept SOMEWHAT reasonable - no £300m soup ladle sponsorships for example) is another matter

You mean like £40 million for an ‘option’ to bid for the naming rights of the new stadium?

 

[anton66]

No. Because of his business relationship with Moshiri he’s classed as a “related party”, and any sponsorship from him needs to be at “fair market value” - or at least close enough to it so as not to be completely obviously dodgy.

The only difference is that with it being a brand new stadium with the world watching how do out a fair value on any sponsorship deal?

 

[degsy]

Seeing the pitiful fines dished out to the Super League whoppers we may as well ignore FFP now.

You just know they will hammer us as an example...big enough to show an example, not big 6 - see the Niasse decision.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

And if things were investigated what's the repercussion? Seems to me it's a fine and the "threat"of a European ban. Honestly I think if this guy is involved just throw caution to the wind and go for it. Spend big, bring big players in, break the mediocrity. If we do get a ban from Europe then so be it, big players have shown if you chuck enough money at them they will accept no champions league footy for a season or two.

This was Man City's punishment when they were up to no good that was overturned by CAS:

'The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) overturned a two-year ban from European football and €30 million fine that were imposed upon Manchester City for breaching UEFA's financial pair Play (FFP) regulations and failing to cooperate with an investigation by the governing body of European football's Club Financial Control Body (CFCB). City will instead be fined €10m for failure to cooperate, but they will be free to play in UEFA competitions.'

 

[Blue_Berry]

This was Man City's punishment when they were up to no good that was overturned by CAS:

'The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) overturned a two-year ban from European football and €30 million fine that were imposed upon Manchester City for breaching UEFA's financial pair Play (FFP) regulations and failing to cooperate with an investigation by the governing body of European football's Club Financial Control Body (CFCB). City will instead be fined €10m for failure to cooperate, but they will be free to play in UEFA competitions.'

I had thought / heard that City got off on a technicality, ie. There was a five year timeline on prosecuting them and they managed to stretch out the process legally to beat that. Or is that just urban myth??

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I had thought / heard that City got off on a technicality, ie. There was a five year timeline on prosecuting them and they managed to stretch out the process legally to beat that. Or is that just urban myth??

Yeah something to do with ‘time - barred’ mate.

 

[4737carlin]

You just know they will hammer us as an example...big enough to show an example, not big 6 - see the Niasse decision.

O too right they will, when Leicester had the audacity to win the league they must of been steaming, cant be having anyone outside the clique winning and doing well, even when we had a shot at the CL Colina had a script too follow

 

[BNJ1878]

I had thought / heard that City got off on a technicality, ie. There was a five year timeline on prosecuting them and they managed to stretch out the process legally to beat that. Or is that just urban myth??

Remarkably UEFA have lost their past 3 FFP cases.

They used the same legal firm to fight each case.

They have just appointed the same legal firm to represent them in their case against Real, Barcelona and Juventus.

That'll show them.

 

[irishtony1878]

Remarkably UEFA have lost their past 3 FFP cases.

They used the same legal firm to fight each case.

They have just appointed the same legal firm to represent them in their case against Real, Barcelona and Juventus.

That'll show them.

Any decent law firm would win hands down if it went to a higher court.
Restriction of trade.
They are a business looking to make a profit at the end of the day.
It's like stopping Tesla from spending money to improve future vehicles and making them more successful, they couldn't and wouldn't do it, so why do football teams have to do it?
There have always been big and small teams.
.

 

[BNJ1878]

Any decent law firm would win hands down if it went to a higher court.
Restriction of trade.
They are a business looking to make a profit at the end of the day.
It's like stopping Tesla from spending money to improve future vehicles and making them more successful, they couldn't and wouldn't do it, so why do football teams have to do it?
There have always been big and small teams.
.

Absolutely.

It's a ridiculous owners are not allowed to spend as they see fit, provided they don't load the club with debt.

 

[Thetigerblue]

Remarkably UEFA have lost their past 3 FFP cases.

They used the same legal firm to fight each case.

They have just appointed the same legal firm to represent them in their case against Real, Barcelona and Juventus.

That'll show them.

It’s almost like they want to lose

 

[BNJ1878]

It’s almost like they want to lose

Exactly.

Plot twist (but not really)

 

[mahermi1]

The only difference is that with it being a brand new stadium with the world watching how do out a fair value on any sponsorship deal?

can't really see a problem with ffp due to stadium sponsorship, why should it concern the footballing gods, how it paid for as long as it is legal. Do you think they would like a club to go into even deeper debt, because the club want to move their fans into a state of the art stadium, rather than an out of date one.
besides let them try, I'm sure Moshiri/ Usmanov have pretty reliable and expensive legal teams and after the abomination of 12 selfish clubs trying to actually destroy football as we know it, for their own selfish greed. Let them try.

 

[gaino92]

can't really see a problem with ffp due to stadium sponsorship, why should it concern the footballing gods, how it paid for as long as it is legal. Do you think they would like a club to go into even deeper debt, because the club want to move their fans into a state of the art stadium, rather than an out of date one.
besides let them try, I'm sure Moshiri/ Usmanov have pretty reliable and expensive legal teams and after the abomination of 12 selfish clubs trying to actually destroy football as we know it, for their own selfish greed. Let them try.

It's the prem we have to be worried. They have double standards and guaranteed they would throw the book at us