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Eggsyblueskin said:
Strange and vacuous statement.
How do you presume to know the the positions or actions of the ‘humanitarians’ as you put it at the time of the events you reference.
I also think it’s notable that you seem to use ‘Humanitarian ‘ in a vaguely pejorative sense.
Finally I find that the phrase ‘virtue signalling’ is most often employed by the reactionary right, it is a generally reductive phrase.
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The thing is though, that coup was brutal. Trade Union buildings were burnt to the ground, leftists were brutally beaten up, and Jewish cemeteries were desecrated with Swastikas. The Rabbi of Kiev actually noted it had become an unsafe place for Jewish people (which within the context of what happened in WW2 was very sad and significant).

I remember calling all of these things out in 2014, long before I ever knew how to spell Usmanov or Moshiri. It was just plain wrong what happened. There were a lot of people who shrugged their shoulders at all of that, or made excuses for it.

Invasion is of course the absolute wrong response to that situation, but there is a lot of inconsistency around this stuff.
 
davek said:
The whole thing is a circus of the grotesque. I cant take seriously any football fan conned into wanting to see the financial destruction of their own club - pretty much finishing it off as a top flight organisation for generations.

How football fans get into that position is beyond me, but there we have it.
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Nothing scores more internet points than being the most outraged, and being seen as being the most outraged, on any given subject, regardless of facts.


Modern Britain.

Wooooo
 
tommye said:
Nothing scores more internet points than being the most outraged, and being seen as being the most outraged, on any given subject, regardless of facts.


Modern Britain.

Wooooo
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Nah, it's you who mirror 'modern britains' uncaring, self serving narcissistic ways.
I await you passive aggressive reply
 

Funny how all of you seem to know the mind of a person you have never met. He's a businessman and maintains a relationship to further his business. This does not mean he agrees with what is going on.

You all need to calm down and think about what is happening to the poor people of Ukraine. Whatever happens with this club pales in comparison to the human lives that are being lost to a mad man on a power trip.

Sense of perspective is needed here.
 

catcherintherye said:
I think using words like vermin, or loon or whatever to essentially describe anti-war activists is really problematic. As is the word "traitor" that we are now seeing bandied about towards female MP's.

That's the consequence of the witch hunt we now have from our government, who themselves have been the biggest culprits in laundering Russian money. How much Russian money have Standard Chartered laundered I wonder? (An org who've actually been found guilty in a court for this stuff, not just have the crime of having to have a business that trades in Russia, or be born as a Russian).

Yet as soon as you turn the focus onto these questions there is no discussion, it just gets shut down, and names are launched. If people are so incredulous with anger, why can't they answer these points?

And why should I, or we as a football club take any moralism from a government that has financially benefited from donations far beyond anything we have ever done from Russian donations? If people can provide me answers to these perfectly reasonable questions, I am happy to re-examine my position. But nobody has thus far, I've had one person state to me something Margaret Hodge has intimated. Margaret Hodge the war mongering racist.

So yes, I'm happy as the next person to criticise Usmanov, as long as it's proportionate and consistent.
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I think you miss the point. If the actions of the leader of a country starts to effect the life of the powerful in the country, the leader becomes weaker.
You had said that let russia keep parts of the Ukrainian in an earlier post to create peace… that only serves to to encourage more war. What next? attack Lativia and Estonia but only let them take a part of it after negotiating.
I’m shocked to find you defending the actions of Russia here. I have met Russian people and they are fine, it’s not xenophobic. However the state actions of Russia at this time are worrying to world peace.
 

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