Usmanov

[tommye]

I think this is why they are re doing roads down that way, sorting out the south end of Great Howarth street...etc its not to be ready for the stadium, its because the docks are getting busier

There is no doubt in my mind that the stadium is happening. The amount of money spent on infrastructure in the immediate area of BM is astounding, especially if it's just to facilitate a busier dock. It's on. It's on in a massive way!

 

[RomanReigns]

heard he will be at goodison tomorrow and will be making a grand entrance

 

[Jacko93]

You're the only voice I pay heed to in this (and the stadium) thread. The day you cast doubt is the day it's over. The rest is just white noise.

I know absolutely nothing of the Usmanov situation I'm afraid.

 

[Toffeelover]

That only worked when we we shipping sugar, cotton, etc. in - and local / North of England manufactured goods out.

There IS no North of England manufacturing

WW1 and The first lot of American debt seen us off.
WW2 gave us a short term lifeline - but no real Investment
Changing / Emerging world trade patterns meant the port was a deadman walking.
Lack of investment in the 50s and 60...(for instance, when Dunlops shut in the early 70s they were still using the same machines the arl lady used to make tyres for Halifax bombers in 1944.) The EU and general 'events' plus Thatcher did the rest.
Those 7miles of docks mostly don't even exist now in any usable form - ships are bigger, containers are the way.
Dockers hooks are in museums along with gas mantle trimmers and such.
Any increase in trade from westerly direction will and does go to Southampton, which sadly, is much nearer to the SE where all the people and money are than Liverpool

Any North Docks regeneration will be retail / sevice / Commercial and private accomodation driven.

Well Mr Hatton,yes those are good points but I am not as pessimistic as you.

 

[Pudsey]

Apply the Mark Twain theory - buy land, they're not making any more of it...that goes double for waterfront

Does renting land also apply?

 

[degsy]

Well Mr Hatton,yes those are good points but I am not as pessimistic as you.

Maybe not, Mr Magoo...if thats your real name, But the whole Peel thing is about re-using the old docks and nothing to do with increased / increasing trade into the 'new docks', aka, containers terminal(s) up the road, that is happening anyway.
Brexit, all it might or might not do and 'the way we face' have no real bearing on the Peel thing is the point.

 

[degsy]

Does renting land also apply?

Only if you're the one collecting the rent

 

[firefighterblue]

That only worked when we we shipping sugar, cotton, etc. in - and local / North of England manufactured goods out.

There IS no North of England manufacturing

WW1 and The first lot of American debt seen us off.
WW2 gave us a short term lifeline - but no real Investment
Changing / Emerging world trade patterns meant the port was a deadman walking.
Lack of investment in the 50s and 60...(for instance, when Dunlops shut in the early 70s they were still using the same machines the arl lady used to make tyres for Halifax bombers in 1944.) The EU and general 'events' plus Thatcher did the rest.
Those 7miles of docks mostly don't even exist now in any usable form - ships are bigger, containers are the way.
Dockers hooks are in museums along with gas mantle trimmers and such.
Any increase in trade from westerly direction will and does go to Southampton, which sadly, is much nearer to the SE where all the people and money are than Liverpool

Any North Docks regeneration will be retail / sevice / Commercial and private accomodation driven.

You are right in a lot that you say but
They have built the terminal at seaforth so the massive panex ships don't have to come into the dock system(they are too big) they just offload in the mersey and that takes about six hrs. The new dual carriageway through Crosby to switch island is going to be built. Peel have persuaded some operators to switch and is working on more. There is a lot of industry around London but a lot is in north London area and closer to liverpool than Southampton. Liverpool is in a great position for companies. As we more away more from Europe there will be a lot more trade with rest of the world and liverpool will capitalise on that. Wont be the 40000 dockers that there used to be but as they say when the docks do well liverpool does well.

 

[degsy]

You are right in a lot that you say but
They have built the terminal at seaforth so the massive panex ships don't have to come into the dock system(they are too big) they just offload in the mersey and that takes about six hrs. The new dual carriageway through Crosby to switch island is going to be built. Peel have persuaded some operators to switch and is working on more. There is a lot of industry around London but a lot is in north london and closer to liverpool than southampton. Liverpool is in a great position for companies. As we more away more from Europe there will be a lot more trade with rest of the world and liverpool will capitalise on that. Wont be the 40000 dockers that there used to be but as they say when the docks do well liverpool does well.

Liverpool to north of London...lets call it Watford 196 miles
Southampton blah, blah, blah, lets call it Watford 81 miles

Any way lets get some spades in the ground and start it.

 

[Toffeelover]

You are right in a lot that you say but
They have built the terminal at seaforth so the massive panex ships don't have to come into the dock system(they are too big) they just offload in the mersey and that takes about six hrs. The new dual carriageway through Crosby to switch island is going to be built. Peel have persuaded some operators to switch and is working on more. There is a lot of industry around London but a lot is in north London area and closer to liverpool than Southampton. Liverpool is in a great position for companies. As we more away more from Europe there will be a lot more trade with rest of the world and liverpool will capitalise on that. Wont be the 40000 dockers that there used to be but as they say when the docks do well liverpool does well.

and the country will benefit.

 

[Toffeelover]

Liverpool to north of London...lets call it Watford 196 miles
Southampton blah, blah, blah, lets call it Watford 81 miles

Any way lets get some spades in the ground and start it.

Yep, uncover the old tram lines, the council instead of making or widening more roads should be looking at investing in trams, e,g. one running from crosby to garston right past the pierhead..

 

[degsy]

Yep, uncover the old tram lines, the council instead of making or widening more roads should be looking at investing in trams, e,g. one running from crosby to garston right past the pierhead..

*Whisper* monorail

 

[blue1948]

*Whisper* monorail

You and me both remember it why whisper ? It would be another attraction on the tourist's day .

 

[riddick]

You and me both remember it why whisper ? It would be another attraction on the tourist's day .

 

[nsno-chris]

You are right in a lot that you say but
They have built the terminal at seaforth so the massive panex ships don't have to come into the dock system(they are too big) they just offload in the mersey and that takes about six hrs. The new dual carriageway through Crosby to switch island is going to be built. Peel have persuaded some operators to switch and is working on more. There is a lot of industry around London but a lot is in north London area and closer to liverpool than Southampton. Liverpool is in a great position for companies. As we more away more from Europe there will be a lot more trade with rest of the world and liverpool will capitalise on that. Wont be the 40000 dockers that there used to be but as they say when the docks do well liverpool does well.

they have persuaded one the biggest container lines to adopt terminal 2