Usmanov

[Pudsey]

The last accounts gave the total sponsoship, advertising and merchandising income as c£21m. This, I believe, includes the USM, Beretta and Megafon deals as well as retail income. It'll be interesting to see the new figures in the next few months.

 

[blulouie]

Where will the trade come from?

Liverpool was an important port during the Empire
That day is long gone

USA , Canada & Brazil just for starters.

 

[tonka1878]

@GrandOldTeam
Can this thread be renamed "The Pure conjecture and speculation re. Everton business matters thread"?

 

[tommye]

@GrandOldTeam
Can this thread be renamed "The Pure conjecture and speculation re. Everton business matters thread"?

Or TheEsk.org for short?

 

[thirdmantackle]

America.

Ha ha
What, full of chlorinated chicken and crap beef?
I hope it does work out for ye, but I just cannot see it

 

[Jeff Jones]

Gab Marcotti, talking about Everton's finances and potential limits to Ancelotti's spending said that its revenue was the 7th highest in the Premier League, but
half that of Spurs who are 6th. That doesn't sound great, but Usmanov's involvement, and there certainly is one, means that Everton can potentially increase
its revenue through sponsorship in the same way as the clubs above.
I use the word potentially, because It depends on the extent of Usmanov's involvement in the future and his business dealings alongside Moshiri. They seem
very close, so I think there's reason to be optimistic.

 

[degsy]

I think you have to see the bigger picture in this mate.

In isolation, perhaps each of the above are underwhelming. I would point out though, a bunch of offices a short distance up the road have just been sold for millions of pounds but we can park that.

I spoke to a fella a few weeks back who'd bought a tenement block in Edinburgh when they are dilapidated and he's already made millions out of them. As gentrification hits that will sky rocket further. It's a similar thing. If they can build a space, were there is a hub of activity apartment prices will rise substantially. There were probably similar conversations happening with spaces like Canary wharf 20 years ago.

The overall project in that area is costed as being worth multi-billions already. If things work out this estimate will be scaled upwards as will the value of the assets bought.

I am not sure if you live in the city (I don't) but I brought friends to the city a while back and while the enjoyed a night out they were a little surprised the city centre is not bigger. It's about 2 miles north of the city centre, but there are already developments going up in and around, such as the 10 streets project? 2 miles is not that big a space, it may seem a lot currently, but with the inward investment that will come it soon seem far more connected.

In the original post I made though, you have to look at this not just in terms of a short term profit loss game. I suspect they are after influence and a more long term outlook in terms of money coming back in. It's why I suspect figures within the Russian and even Chinese state may have some interest in whats occurring.

If as I suspect may happen the space between the Echo arena and where out new ground is becomes heavily gentrified and attracts even greater number of tourists and companies to open offices (alongside potentially greater amount of trade passing through the docks post Brexit) it's a strategically viable project. Where you have influence you have a degree of power. This is what motivates states and individuals.

Apply the Mark Twain theory - buy land, they're not making any more of it...that goes double for waterfront

 

[Jacko93]

oh mate you have little idea. The £400m development of Terminal 2 now allows for the worlds largest vessels to use the port of Liverpool. Previously vessels would need to be small to get through the dock system

There’ll be massive news within the coming months on utilisation of T2 and it won’t be Peel who operate it.

the port current has around 800,000 TEU (containers) per year, that’ll be to about 1.5m in 2 years

so your argument is dead in the water

Even the Warrington local economy has increased, with its position on the motorway and space on the old airfield for the warehouses that have gone up.

 

[tommye]

Even the Warrington local economy has increased, with its position on the motorway and space on the old airfield for the warehouses that have gone up.

You're the only voice I pay heed to in this (and the stadium) thread. The day you cast doubt is the day it's over. The rest is just white noise.

 

[degsy]

Why, our city will be on the right side of the country to deal on a global basis.

That only worked when we we shipping sugar, cotton, etc. in - and local / North of England manufactured goods out.

There IS no North of England manufacturing

WW1 and The first lot of American debt seen us off.
WW2 gave us a short term lifeline - but no real Investment
Changing / Emerging world trade patterns meant the port was a deadman walking.
Lack of investment in the 50s and 60...(for instance, when Dunlops shut in the early 70s they were still using the same machines the arl lady used to make tyres for Halifax bombers in 1944.) The EU and general 'events' plus Thatcher did the rest.
Those 7miles of docks mostly don't even exist now in any usable form - ships are bigger, containers are the way.
Dockers hooks are in museums along with gas mantle trimmers and such.
Any increase in trade from westerly direction will and does go to Southampton, which sadly, is much nearer to the SE where all the people and money are than Liverpool

Any North Docks regeneration will be retail / sevice / Commercial and private accomodation driven.

 

[nsno-chris]

Even the Warrington local economy has increased, with its position on the motorway and space on the old airfield for the warehouses that have gone up.

oh god yeah, the hut group, travis Perkins, Amazon, that was clear indication of the power of terminal 2. The way that has transformed over the last 4 years has been ridiculous. The housing market in Warrington has flying through the roof as well

 

[tommye]

That only worked when we we shipping sugar, cotton, etc. in - and local / North of England manufactured goods out.

There IS no North of England manufacturing

WW1 and The first lot of American debt seen us off.
WW2 gave us a short term lifeline - but no real Investment
Changing / Emerging world trade patterns meant the port was a deadman walking.
Lack of investment in the 50s and 60...(for instance, when Dunlops shut in the early 70s they were still using the same machines the arl lady used to make tyres for Halifax bombers in 1944.) The EU and general 'events' plus Thatcher did the rest.
Those 7miles of docks mostly don't even exist now in any usable form - ships are bigger, containers are the way.
Dockers hooks are in museums along with gas mantle trimmers and such.
Any increase in trade from westerly direction will and does go to Southampton, which sadly, is much nearer to the SE where all the people and money are than Liverpool

Any North Docks regeneration will be retail / sevice / Commercial and private accomodation driven.

I'll just leave this here...

New ‘megamax’ cranes arrive at Port of Liverpool after 18,000-mile journey - Liverpool Business News

Trio of 92 metre-high cranes set off from Shanghai on September 15 and will be installed by Peel Ports at the Liverpool2 container terminal. Tony McDonough reports Peel Ports […]

lbndaily.co.uk

Peel Ports has taken delivery of three ‘megamax’ quayside cranes that have travelled all the way from China and will be installed at the Liverpool2 container terminal.

The cranes, which were seen sailing up the River Mersey, are part of work on the second phase of the Liverpool2 project to provide additional capacity for growing volumes of cargo.

Their arrival follows Peel Ports announcing a record-breaking month for its container operationsat the Port of Liverpool. Quayside and landside throughput in October exceeded all previous figures on record with year on year growth of 12%....

 

[degsy]

Bit harsh there mate.
I did tbf, near the end of my ronnie corbett-esque ramble, eventually get to containers and such.

I think you, me and @nsno-chris are agreed the old 7miles of prosperous docks because were facing west thing is a none starter in 2020 and beyond.

 

[tommye]

Bit harsh there mate.
I did tbf, near the end of my ronnie corbett-esque ramble, eventually get to containers and such.

I think you, me and @nsno-chris are agreed the old 7miles of prosperous docks because were facing west thing is a none starter in 2020 and beyond.

The docks are booming. Genuinely.
Handling more tonnage of cargo than at any point in the last 50 years. Onwards and upwards.

 

[4737carlin]

The docks are booming. Genuinely.
Handling more tonnage of cargo than at any point in the last 50 years. Onwards and upwards.

I think this is why they are re doing roads down that way, sorting out the south end of Great Howarth street...etc its not to be ready for the stadium, its because the docks are getting busier