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I thought the whole idea of accounting is to simply move money around and write off other parts until everything balances? lol
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Player Valuation: £80m
How Kenwright can even be in the same room as these fellas is weird.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
Dave likes to play both sides. Everything is wrong. All of the time.
I mocked something up and posted it on here a few years ago, and one of the toffeetv gimps posted it as their own on twitter and it got hundreds of likes and retweets, my post only got about 12 on here.
I’ve boycotted toffeetv ever since.
Disgruntledgoat
Player Valuation: £50m
Debts are 30m. Losses and debts not the same thing.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
It's been quite an amusing 24 hours really. RAWK is in typical meltdown. I'd made the cardinal sin and overestimated their intelligence to the level of an able minded adolescent when the collective wisdom seems to fall some way short of that. I genuinely think that they felt yesterday was going to be the day we failed FFP and went out of business.
I spoke to one quite reasonable red after the derby defeat. We spoke about the match and he threw in the usual massive losses due to be announced, I said they would be worse than he was forecasting, but I wasn't too bothered as Usmanov would likely put an injection into the club and sort it. He went quite and didn't say anything on that. Looking back he clearly felt what I was saying was completely ridiculous. They've kind of fed themselves the idea that Usmanov is a fantasy. I can see why, USM combined official wealth is over 25 bn (officially) and unofficially higher than that by any amount of degrees. Essentially we can spend and waste any degree of money and it will still be alright.
It's just kind of funny, that they just get really irritated. Like the nerdy little kid at school who snitches on everyone and gets his head shoved down the loos at school, they are left getting angry as the cool kid basically gets away with messing it up time and again.
I spoke to one quite reasonable red after the derby defeat. We spoke about the match and he threw in the usual massive losses due to be announced, I said they would be worse than he was forecasting, but I wasn't too bothered as Usmanov would likely put an injection into the club and sort it. He went quite and didn't say anything on that. Looking back he clearly felt what I was saying was completely ridiculous. They've kind of fed themselves the idea that Usmanov is a fantasy. I can see why, USM combined official wealth is over 25 bn (officially) and unofficially higher than that by any amount of degrees. Essentially we can spend and waste any degree of money and it will still be alright.
It's just kind of funny, that they just get really irritated. Like the nerdy little kid at school who snitches on everyone and gets his head shoved down the loos at school, they are left getting angry as the cool kid basically gets away with messing it up time and again.
Again Dave Walsh had a good record of finding gems at Leicester, that's why we hired and Moshiri trusted him. Koeman whether you want to admit it or not, was a big name manager, who managed quite a few of the players that Liverpool have now, Mane, Van Dyke, Lovren. What's he supposed to do hire them and say your getting no money ?
The jury is still out on Brands signings, let's see what they do with good manager.
gwladysnight
Player Valuation: £10m
You can't simply quote the combined wealth of USM. 30% of USM is owned by Andrei Skoch who has no interest in Football.
Well somebody better tell him that hes just gave 45 million to a football club.
AmericasToffee
Player Valuation: £40m
I figure this man is The Esk's worst nightmare. Any time he tries to predict the apocalypse, Uzzy sponsors a locker for 15m to bring Everton back from the brink
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
As always lots of significant last night. Looks to have passed through without too much reporting, and no rumoured investigation. I think they are continuing to test the water of what they can get away with until the PL may say something. The reality is, that he will provide over £50 million this year (up from £15m the year before). If nothing is said, you wonder what the next sponsorship will look like in terms of substance and value? It's obviously harder for the PL to pick holes in the dynamic once it starts as well. So another shrewd move from Usmanov, start low, and work up in increments.
I thought another thing in the car between meetings today. If he benchmarks at 20m p/a for stadium sponsorship. He's already doubled training ground sponsorship, so that gets through as a principle. I honestly think if we hit certain benchmarks (Europa League/Champions league) the sponsorship may get trebled on each occasion. It will be in the small print of the initial deal, which the PL will likely see through, it won't mention a figure but something like a "review" is due on milestones. All the club/Usmanov can say, is that the initial deal was fine, and as part of the review, greater exposure a new value is now fairer. They can cite the training ground having doubled sponsorship as a principle, so in this instance a trebling seemed fine.
I wouldn't be surprised if the sponsorship ends up in the future are £100m p/a. The real genius in this though, I predict will be how it's offset against construction costs etc. So it won't even count as part of FFP. Or on other words, a £100million loss will be able to explained away to the FA (or 50 million if thats what it settles on). These guys are field attuned to finding grey areas.
Whats in it for Usmanov, beyond influence, power, financial gain, indirect values to come back? Think of it this way. You want to keep money moving to make yourself harder to pin for tax purposes and also to keep options open. Company A sponsor Everton for £100m. Everton pay company B (under Usmanovs influence) £100m per/a to build a stadium (which sounds about right). Usmanov loses no money, money is moved, harder to control. Everton get an extra £100million to play with each year in terms of FFP losses (so we can continue to spend at this level, or incur the level of losses we have and we would still be in absolutely no danger of any problems with the PL/UEFA).
As a afinal aside, as Brian was mentioning yesterday, the values for Everton are then established for future sponsorship people, and Usmanov's 2nd company probably get a load of additional work for the Peel waterway 6+ billion project, so a load more money coming his company's way. Where do you reckon he is going to reward his employees, or directors who perform well at the 2/3 companies involved in all of this? He will probably pay a massive premium for the best box at the new stadium. It goes on and on.
I thought another thing in the car between meetings today. If he benchmarks at 20m p/a for stadium sponsorship. He's already doubled training ground sponsorship, so that gets through as a principle. I honestly think if we hit certain benchmarks (Europa League/Champions league) the sponsorship may get trebled on each occasion. It will be in the small print of the initial deal, which the PL will likely see through, it won't mention a figure but something like a "review" is due on milestones. All the club/Usmanov can say, is that the initial deal was fine, and as part of the review, greater exposure a new value is now fairer. They can cite the training ground having doubled sponsorship as a principle, so in this instance a trebling seemed fine.
I wouldn't be surprised if the sponsorship ends up in the future are £100m p/a. The real genius in this though, I predict will be how it's offset against construction costs etc. So it won't even count as part of FFP. Or on other words, a £100million loss will be able to explained away to the FA (or 50 million if thats what it settles on). These guys are field attuned to finding grey areas.
Whats in it for Usmanov, beyond influence, power, financial gain, indirect values to come back? Think of it this way. You want to keep money moving to make yourself harder to pin for tax purposes and also to keep options open. Company A sponsor Everton for £100m. Everton pay company B (under Usmanovs influence) £100m per/a to build a stadium (which sounds about right). Usmanov loses no money, money is moved, harder to control. Everton get an extra £100million to play with each year in terms of FFP losses (so we can continue to spend at this level, or incur the level of losses we have and we would still be in absolutely no danger of any problems with the PL/UEFA).
As a afinal aside, as Brian was mentioning yesterday, the values for Everton are then established for future sponsorship people, and Usmanov's 2nd company probably get a load of additional work for the Peel waterway 6+ billion project, so a load more money coming his company's way. Where do you reckon he is going to reward his employees, or directors who perform well at the 2/3 companies involved in all of this? He will probably pay a massive premium for the best box at the new stadium. It goes on and on.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Yea I mean without being too dismissive, given his company has just made a massive donation I should imagine he is on board with the business direction. Skoch is worth about twice as much as Abramovic as well. Thats officially too, unofficially pluck any number you like out.
sfa.ok
Player Valuation: £225k
USM is merely an abbreviation.
An acronym is when the abbreviated initials are pronounced as a word, ie DEFRA, NASA, COBRA.
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