Usmanov

[mahermi1]

Walsh was head coach at Leicester, not DoF. Moshiri complicated his job unnecessarily.

Les Reed scouted those players at Southmapton; he signed good players before and after Koeman was there for his 2 years.

Yeah was Les Read remember now, but still stand by Koeman was a big name, but as it turned out for us, a bloody awful manager.

 

[Brisan123]

Well somebody better tell him that hes just gave 45 million to a football club.

To be fair 30% of 45m is only 13.5 m
So technically that’s all he gave lol

 

[aglee]

Fantastic post. My only concern is that Usmanov will be 70 by the time BMD is hopefully built. He looks like he’s one Russian vodka away from popping his clogs.

If we are pinning our immediate & longer term future to involve significant investment either directly or indirectly from USM/ Megafon etc, what happens if/when Usmanov vacates this world?!

Could they enter into say for example 5 or 10 year sponsorships which keep us going?

Can someone send him a Thighmaster and a Nutribullet?

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Walsh was head coach at Leicester

Nope.

 

[Goat]

To be fair 30% of 45m is only 13.5 m
So technically that’s all he gave lol

Well the 45m was from 30% of the 30m, plus the 12m per year for USM training ground.

 

[davek]

Yeah was Les Read remember now, but still stand by Koeman was a big name, but as it turned out for us, a bloody awful manager.

It was a coup to land Koeman; he was the rising star in the PL. However, if Moshiri was at all savvy he'd have known that, whereas Reed was well ensconced in his job as DoF at S'ton since 2010 (4 years before Koeman turned up there) and a strong character, Walsh was just hired at Everton and had no such kudos built up at the club, and neither was he a determined character that could dominate Koeman in the way Reed did.

In short: Moshiri has a tin ear when it comes to footy. An utter helmet, in fact.

 

[Brisan123]

As always lots of significant last night. Looks to have passed through without too much reporting, and no rumoured investigation. I think they are continuing to test the water of what they can get away with until the PL may say something. The reality is, that he will provide over £50 million this year (up from £15m the year before). If nothing is said, you wonder what the next sponsorship will look like in terms of substance and value? It's obviously harder for the PL to pick holes in the dynamic once it starts as well. So another shrewd move from Usmanov, start low, and work up in increments.

I thought another thing in the car between meetings today. If he benchmarks at 20m p/a for stadium sponsorship. He's already doubled training ground sponsorship, so that gets through as a principle. I honestly think if we hit certain benchmarks (Europa League/Champions league) the sponsorship may get trebled on each occasion. It will be in the small print of the initial deal, which the PL will likely see through, it won't mention a figure but something like a "review" is due on milestones. All the club/Usmanov can say, is that the initial deal was fine, and as part of the review, greater exposure a new value is now fairer. They can cite the training ground having doubled sponsorship as a principle, so in this instance a trebling seemed fine.

I wouldn't be surprised if the sponsorship ends up in the future are £100m p/a. The real genius in this though, I predict will be how it's offset against construction costs etc. So it won't even count as part of FFP. Or on other words, a £100million loss will be able to explained away to the FA (or 50 million if thats what it settles on). These guys are field attuned to finding grey areas.

Whats in it for Usmanov, beyond influence, power, financial gain, indirect values to come back? Think of it this way. You want to keep money moving to make yourself harder to pin for tax purposes and also to keep options open. Company A sponsor Everton for £100m. Everton pay company B (under Usmanovs influence) £100m per/a to build a stadium (which sounds about right). Usmanov loses no money, money is moved, harder to control. Everton get an extra £100million to play with each year in terms of FFP losses (so we can continue to spend at this level, or incur the level of losses we have and we would still be in absolutely no danger of any problems with the PL/UEFA).

As a afinal aside, as Brian was mentioning yesterday, the values for Everton are then established for future sponsorship people, and Usmanov's 2nd company probably get a load of additional work for the Peel waterway 6+ billion project, so a load more money coming his company's way. Where do you reckon he is going to reward his employees, or directors who perform well at the 2/3 companies involved in all of this? He will probably pay a massive premium for the best box at the new stadium. It goes on and on.

Ow you’re thinking like a pair of shady billionaires lol

 

[Azza]

Walsh was head coach at Leicester, not DoF. Moshiri complicated his job unnecessarily.

Les Reed scouted those players at Southampton; he signed good players before and after Koeman was there for his 2 years.

Walsh was head scout at Leicester. Who incidentally never actually initially scouted the players they signed when they won the league he just part of the signing off process.

 

[davek]

Walsh was head scout at Leicester. Who incidentally never actually initially scouted the players they signed when they won the league he just part of the signing off process.

What?!

Vardy, Mahrez, Kante all Walsh scouted.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

USM is merely an abbreviation.
An acronym is when the abbreviated initials are pronounced as a word, ie DEFRA, NASA, COBRA.

USM is an initialism.

 

[Coggy]

It was a coup to land Koeman; he was the rising star in the PL. However, if Moshiri was at all savvy he'd have known that, whereas Reed was well ensconced in his job as DoF at S'ton since 2010 (4 years before Koeman turned up there) and a strong character, Walsh was just hired at Everton and had no such kudos built up at the club, and neither was he a determined character that could dominate Koeman in the way Reed did.

In short: Moshiri has a tin ear when it comes to footy. An utter helmet, in fact.

 

[Coggy]

It was a coup to land Koeman; he was the rising star in the PL. However, if Moshiri was at all savvy he'd have known that, whereas Reed was well ensconced in his job as DoF at S'ton since 2010 (4 years before Koeman turned up there) and a strong character, Walsh was just hired at Everton and had no such kudos built up at the club, and neither was he a determined character that could dominate Koeman in the way Reed did.

In short: Moshiri has a tin ear when it comes to footy. An utter helmet, in fact.

With regard to Walsh and kudos mate , he was once referred to by Sir Alex Ferguson as the most important man in football. It is perhaps understandable that Moshiri would put faith in such a person , and all he did was financially supported him. In hindsight it was a mistake , but done for the correct reasons.

 

[catcherintherye]

Ok not less than a third, but still:

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and while, yes I agree that the figures for USM may be larger than the publicly available ones, there’s no reason to think the same isn’t true for Abramovich

Ah ok well Abramovich is much higher than I thought. I don't think there's much suggestion he has the quantities of values in reserve from him than to Skotch.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Ah ok well Abramovich is much higher than I thought. I don't think there's much suggestion he has the quantities of values in reserve from him than to Skotch.

Possibly, but hard to know.

Skotch also appears to be proper dodgy (even more than most of them). Pretty sure he was sanctioned by the US in 2018 alongside the likes of Deripaska and Vekselberg

 

[davek]

With regard to Walsh and kudos mate , he was once referred to by Sir Alex Ferguson as the most important man in football. It is perhaps understandable that Moshiri would put faith in such a person , and all he did was financially supported him. In hindsight it was a mistake , but done for the correct reasons.

He employed a rookie DoF and fed him to Koemaggedon to spit out.

The feller is as thick as two short planks. That's why the club has lost £110M.