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Utterly incandescent

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Ah good. An apology. That will.comfort us all after we get relegated by a point.

the horrible part of this is that the very dark forces that made us suffer in the last game - will more than likely benefit us in future games. Lampard knew what he needed to say and did it brilliantly - he has made a mark on the suits who will be very wary of him as he's not some half bothered manager who tries his best not to get fined

Now..... as far as i'm concerned if some dodgy calls happen and we survive as a result then I will take it with a large element of discomfort. Yes we have been done and as far as im concerned it was corruption (not a mistake) whether it be gambling money, tv money or just some sad sack who is on a power trip who hates scousers or loves man city. They will be scared of us going down as there could be a big investigation into this and the league get taken to court.

The game is not in a good place. I knew this a few years back when it was as though refs were trying for Liverpool to win the league - extra added time, last minute free kick vs Newcastle. It took Man city to dig in to actually win it.

Many fans will be starting to cancel sky - especially after the boxing.
 


Oh what an apology by Rileyyyyyyy!

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The refs and VAR need to be held accountable, simple as that. I suggest having a committee that reviews every single call that went to VAR and give a breakdown as to why it was or wasn't called. They can even determine as a group if the refs/VAR got it right in the first place. If they come to conclusion they got it wrong, then fines need to be handed down.
 
the horrible part of this is that the very dark forces that made us suffer in the last game - will more than likely benefit us in future games. Lampard knew what he needed to say and did it brilliantly - he has made a mark on the suits who will be very wary of him as he's not some half bothered manager who tries his best not to get fined

Now..... as far as i'm concerned if some dodgy calls happen and we survive as a result then I will take it with a large element of discomfort. Yes we have been done and as far as im concerned it was corruption (not a mistake) whether it be gambling money, tv money or just some sad sack who is on a power trip who hates scousers or loves man city. They will be scared of us going down as there could be a big investigation into this and the league get taken to court.

The game is not in a good place. I knew this a few years back when it was as though refs were trying for Liverpool to win the league - extra added time, last minute free kick vs Newcastle. It took Man city to dig in to actually win it.

Many fans will be starting to cancel sky - especially after the boxing.
Like your style @HumbleWedbetters, and you are spot on in voicing that this all started many years ago.
Not going to go back to the actual birth of football in 1993, but something pretty stand out at the time.

Again Citee were our opponents, but it was shortly after Tim Cahill signed. O-O with not that long to go if I recall with any accuracy (not a given by any means) and our new boy slots. Nothing wrong with that and goal given. Tim lifts his shirt over his face. Steve (Gordon) Bennett gives him a second yellow. Now a red card, Tim is off. This despite the rule saying it should only be a yellow if the player takes his shirt completely off. Tim trudges off because of another referee louse-up
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The interview after with the then Citee manager, Kevin Keegan, was asked his opinion of the dismissal. The following is not verbatim, but it was pretty damning the direction football was heading. Keegan said that the game was passionate and spontaneous and done in real time and the sending off was a joke. He expressed a desire for full on entertainment because otherwise the game would be under total control of rules and referees.
He concluded that if the game wasn't given to the players to express themselves, and the fans to enjoy, that the game would be played by robots and there wouldn't be anybody in the stands to watch it. Why? Because it would be boring.

How true that sentiment is today, and basically, from that time on. Approx. 2006.
 

Hopefully this action will help us get a few soft decisions.
Note that when Clattenberg finally returned to ref at Goodison he denied Southampton a handball in front of the Gwladys.
 
We should sue the plums off then if the worst happens and we go down after this absolute shambles.
Well, Villa stayed up at Bournemouth's expense two years ago due to an utterly woeful decision in their game against Sheffield United, where United had a shot that clearly went over the line, yet the goalline system didn't kick in and vibrate the ref's watch, and VAR refused to get involved to give the goal. Villa got a point, stayed up by a point in 17th place. If they'd have lost that game, they'd had (potentially, but you cannot say for sure how that result would have affected their other games..) finished level on points with Bournemouth, with a worse goal difference.



Bournemouth didn't get any kind of compensation as far as I know.
 

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