VAR

[DOMNOLAN]

But I don't see what actual benefit that has. It isn't true transparency anyway because they'd know they were recorded and being heard, it's not like someone's going to say 'it's an absolute stonewaller mate but Everton isn't it so we're letting it slide', they're just going to say 'I don't think there's enough contact/he can't get his arm out of the way/it's six of one half a dozen of the other', and we can pretty much guess that's what they're saying regardless so I just don't see it as worthwhile. The truth is, what we want is the 'right' decision to be reached, nobody really cares what the justification is if that doesn't happen.

But then we at least have it categorically stated that that’s what they’re doing. We can then clearly show their justifications for one team and not the others. If with Liverpool its always something along the lines of “there was contact” or “please just confirm that there was contact”, but with everyone else it was “I don’t think there was enough contact” or “is that enough to make him go down” as the initial response, at least then we create a strong case for bias and have irrefutable evidence to show how it happens. Because those are very different questions the ref would be asking, but they’re very easy to hide behind in any single instance.

 

[Lanolin]

But then we at least have it categorically stated that that’s what they’re doing. We can then clearly show their justifications for one team and not the others. If with Liverpool its always something along the lines of “there was contact” or “please just confirm that there was contact”, but with everyone else it was “I don’t think there was enough contact” or “is that enough to make him go down” as the initial response, at least then we create a strong case for bias and have irrefutable evidence to show how it happens. Because those are very different questions the ref would be asking, but they’re very easy to hide behind in any single instance.

I mean I'm not totally against the idea, it would make no difference to me if it was introduced, I just think it's paying lip service to the issue and people say they want it but won't actually feel that it's worthwhile if it gets introduced. As has been said a million times, decisions are subjective and won't always be totally consistent so even hearing the justification won't actually highlight anything because they'll always be able to point to that fact. For me, the Beto incident is clearly more of a penalty than the Gakpo one on Saturday and whether or not I hear the VAR operator's reason for giving/not giving the pen isn't going to make the tiniest bit of difference to how I perceive those decisions.

 

[mahermi1]

Imagine Salah's reaction if that was Salah

You would have to catch him first because he would still be rolling..

 

[DOMNOLAN]

I mean I'm not totally against the idea, it would make no difference to me if it was introduced, I just think it's paying lip service to the issue and people say they want it but won't actually feel that it's worthwhile if it gets introduced. As has been said a million times, decisions are subjective and won't always be totally consistent so even hearing the justification won't actually highlight anything because they'll always be able to point to that fact. For me, the Beto incident is clearly more of a penalty than the Gakpo one on Saturday and whether or not I hear the VAR operator's reason for giving/not giving the pen isn't going to make the tiniest bit of difference to how I perceive those decisions.

It might not be worth it on its own, but id rather do something than nothing. I don’t like VAR, but at least its removed the ability for refs to hide behind “I didn’t see it”. Now they have to justify why they made appalling decisions. It hasn’t helped make refs better, but it has made it plain obvious that they are bias to the majority of fans. Having them mic-ed up wont make them better, but it gives us another stick to beat them with for being biased.

 

[EDINHO1]

The referee should be able to see the replay if he wants to check his decision. VAR just get him to check again if it isn't obvious.

They should Get to ask the VAR muppets which angles he would like.VAR should be there just to help the referee. Not make it more difficult / cover up glaring errors.

 

[Lanolin]

The referee should be able to see the replay if he wants to check his decision. VAR just get him to check again if it isn't obvious.

They should Get to ask the VAR muppets which angles he would like.VAR should be there just to help the referee. Not make it more difficult / cover up glaring errors.

I think the ref should only be looking at the monitor if he’s saying he saw what happened and the VAR is saying ‘I don’t think you did you know, do you want to see it again?’. You don’t really want the ref asking for different angles because that’s just re-refereeing the game. For me the best use of VAR is for genuinely clear and obvious errors - an offside that you don’t need lines for, a blatant trip/handball that the referee hasn’t seen etc. VAR just being a different opinion thrown into the mix doesn’t work for me.

 

[EDINHO1]

Rugby referees ask for angles to confirm / change their minds. It works.

 

[JLW]

The referee should be able to see the replay if he wants to check his decision. VAR just get him to check again if it isn't obvious.

They should Get to ask the VAR muppets which angles he would like.VAR should be there just to help the referee. Not make it more difficult / cover up glaring errors.

There shouldn't be any discussions with VAR, they literally should just put the replay and angles up and let the Ref decide if he made the right decision.

Actually it should only be the ref who can request a VAR check.

 

[Tel001]

Thought Beto was quite clever as he just steps across to get his body in front of the ball. We’ll see a pen given in a game next week for the exact same thing.

Will be for salah against us

 

[Jadubsee]

Not sure if there's a more recent thread on the issue but my word, isn't VAR horrendous? I know in the end last night it just added to the drama, but can you imagine if it had been given as one of those 'toenail' offsides?

It is properly sucking the joy and the spontaneity of celebration out of the game. It has made watching football a significantly poorer experience. Is there anyone here who's actually glad we have it? I miss the days of a goal actually being a goal that you could celebrate without reservation.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Not sure if there's a more recent thread on the issue but my word, isn't VAR horrendous? I know in the end last night it just added to the drama, but can you imagine if it had been given as one of those 'toenail' offsides?

It is properly sucking the joy and the spontaneity of celebration out of the game. It has made watching football a significantly poorer experience. Is there anyone here who's actually glad we have it? I miss the days of a goal actually being a goal that you could celebrate without reservation.

I was waiting for them to overrule it last night... even after it had been given by VAR I was still waiting for them to find SOMETHING

 

[Jadubsee]

I was waiting for them to overrule it last night... even after it had been given by VAR I was still waiting for them to find SOMETHING

They were trying to! After they spent an age clearing the offside, they moved on to looking for a foul. It's preposterous

 

[Ring master]

Not sure if there's a more recent thread on the issue but my word, isn't VAR horrendous? I know in the end last night it just added to the drama, but can you imagine if it had been given as one of those 'toenail' offsides?

It is properly sucking the joy and the spontaneity of celebration out of the game. It has made watching football a significantly poorer experience. Is there anyone here who's actually glad we have it? I miss the days of a goal actually being a goal that you could celebrate without reservation.

I honestly thought they would try to disallow it for Beto tiny push, as it looked easily onside to me, despite some making it out like it was tight. Cant remember who it was, but player to the left looked like he was keeping us well onside

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

They were trying to! After they spent an age clearing the offside, they moved on to looking for a foul. It's preposterous

Exactly - it does make it even sweeter though I guess

 

[Victus]

It's love hate for me, it's very clearly needed but it does suck the joy out of a goal like that.