Match Thread Watford v Everton Sat 9th April 2016 KO 15:00

[bluewally]

He made them tbf

The easy draw made them

 

[banno]

LOL

Is that it? LOL? Come on mate try and debate. I am sure you can do better than LOL!

 

[bluewally]

Overall, not bad, not good. Just meh

Dreadful defending from crosses, as always.

Don't think the players actually are, in any way, playing for the manager anymore in the league.

It's been evident for a few weeks

Have you changed your vote yet


That's the big question

 

[LAToffee]

The easy draw made them

Chelsea was a tough fixture and a good performance.

 

[bluewally]

Chelsea was a tough fixture and a good performance.

And so out of character it reeked of revolt

 

[banno]

They're not in form but to claim that they're not good defenders is to ignore the numerous years that they were part of a solid defensive unit.

In addition both have also, on more than one occasion, been heralded as the best left back and right back in the league respectively.

Out of form yes, but saying they are not good defender is short-sighted. Personally it's the system at fault that's exacerbating their failings.

Yes they are good attacking but I stand by my statement that they are not good defenders. Maybe its the attacking intent that takes away from the defensive abilities.

 

[LAToffee]

Have you changed your vote yet


That's the big question

Tbh, if, like me, you hadn't changed your vote that game was hardly a game changer. Still can't defend a lead but a draw away to Watford is hardly a disaster. As I said, we're a bit crap, but I'm not going to sack a manager in April when we're mid table and there's a semi to play. Sack him if we lose.

 

[LAToffee]

And so out of character it reeked of revolt

Erm. If you say so.

 

[banno]

£28m pound striker having season of career so far

14th

Good enough? Not even close

Who is realistically going to want to join a team who finishes just above the relegation zone?

Expensive Names looking for one last payday who know they can demand big wages

Man City did it. Yes wages are a huge part and we will have mercenaries along the line. Summer will be the big test for Martinez or it will be bye bye.

 

[PhilM]

Yes they are good attacking but I stand by my statement that they are not good defenders. Maybe its the attacking intent that takes away from the defensive abilities.

You're missing my point: they have both in the past played regularly as part of a defensive setup which was known for being strong and frugal.

This was shown under Moyes and then under Martinez in the first season, so to say they're are not defenders is to ignore all those successes.

For me, they are both proven defenders with regards to their defensive capabilities. If they're not playing well now it's because of the setup.

Remember they play as their told to by the manager and the attacking intent ultimately comes from him. If setup correctly they'd flourish.

Same with Jagielka... proven in the past but he's being asked to play football that doesn't suit his style. It doesn't mean he's not a good player!

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

And so out of character it reeked of revolt

So when we win it reeks of a revolt, and when we lose it's because the players aren't playing for Martinez and want him gone, so revolt when we win, revolt when we lose.

 

[LAToffee]

So when we win it reeks of a revolt, and when we lose it's because the players aren't playing for Martinez and want him gone, so revolt when we win, revolt when we lose.

If we lose, it's Martinez's fault, when we win he has nothing to do with it.

 

[bluewally]

Tbh, if, like me, you hadn't changed your vote that game was hardly a game changer. Still can't defend a lead but a draw away to Watford is hardly a disaster. As I said, we're a bit crap, but I'm not going to sack a manager in April when we're mid table and there's a semi to play. Sack him if we lose.

Haven't seen @BlueToff in a while so not asking him based on one game but on the accumulation of poor results to date

 

[RFUS]

when we win

When's that?

 

[bluewally]

So when we win it reeks of a revolt, and when we lose it's because the players aren't playing for Martinez and want him gone, so revolt when we win, revolt when we lose.

There was fight against Chelsea. Not a Martinez characteristic. The players want to win the cup for themselves. so yes

The players want him out too so in the league they don't bother. So yes