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We haven't bought a quality forward since Richarlison

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Simon Buttle said:
My worry with the Dom thing is that (hate to go all orange cat here) How do we know it's not coming down from the top? We all know how much of a traditionalist Kenwright is and he likes his old teams and probably wants that "Classic number 9" up top. How do we know he is not insisting the team be built around Dom as a figurehead? At the end of the day it is him that has the final say on transfers and I wouldn't put it past him to interfere, Sullivan is known to do it at West Ham.
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I suppose we dont know mate, but thats not to say that it has happened either - bit of reach in my opinion.. I would however out the blame on the sign off of Gordon and Richarlision at their door - i said at the time it was stupid selling Richarlison and it was a poor deal - i understand the reasons - doesn't mean i accept them though and the cause was of their making. Stupider still was sanctioning a deal for Gordon with no replacement in the bag. I refuse to believe we made 100 mill in revenue and couldn't get attacking options in the summer or Jan - many variables in that but those two deals regardless of your opinions of the players - was stupid decision making. Absolutely blame board/owner there.
 
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billyblue80 said:
Agree but you can do it with good scouting look at Brighton. We are a club who thinks we can just get by in forward areas well I fear this season it's caught up with us.
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We wont mate, we dont have the patience Brighton have here, we as fans are as culpable as anyone - they have development pathways but more importantly patience - they developed Macallister, Cacedio, Ferguson, Cuca and Mitoma, Bisouma etc - that sometimes means sticking lads in, letting them fail and having patience.

We dont do it here, we run young players developing players we are trying to develop out of the club - Vlasic, Kean, Lookman, Gordon - we piller them, call them snides, homesick, rubbish etc - we dont know how to develop players and fans dont have the patience to do it.

So until that changes its pointless scouting talented young players its just wasting money - saw lads sharpening knives in the Onana thread last week.
 
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We haven't prioritised goals and forwards since Lukaku left. I dont know whether its complacency, incompetence or both.

If you sell all your good forwards and never replace them you eventually get relegated. If we go down then we deserve it and the blame lies with the board and everyone who has been involved in building this squad which is not befitting of a club our stature.
 
tsubaki said:
For a ready to go one, yes - but buying and (or just) developing one is a lot cheaper and I would argue much more effective.

Ings, Giroud and the established players we did buy wouldn't or haven't had anything more than a temporary positive effect followed by a longer period of waistrelry. Lukaku, Richy and Dominic Calvert-Lewin were all bought to develop and we did that.

This is IMHO why Kean was mishandled so badly by the club - when he turned up he should have given him an extended run in the team, in his correct position, with effective support (Dominic Calvert-Lewin) and on the understanding that when CL clubs come calling he'd be allowed to go for a profit. It is also why I think Simms should start games ahead of Maupay (best of all would be them starting games together, with Maupay being replaced by Dominic Calvert-Lewin when fit).
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I agree partly mate, end of the day you need someone to score - West Ham are ahead of us partly because of the goals Ings has scored, against us and again yesterday - you need that in the PL - if we go down this year it will be because of a lack of a forward - so there definitely is a role for a Giroud/Ings type. Particularly if you consider Doms situation.

Im all for developing lads - its something as i say we are rubbish at, but could we rely on say Simms, Dom and Tom - next season in PL if we are in it - im not so sure defo a space for Ings/Giroud type. For me we have to accept Dom may not be able to rely on his fitness and at best needs to be second choice. We just cant have another season relying on his fitness.

Away from a 9, we need side forwards and a 10 for my money - the club has flogged anything thats a threat or can create - that the big scandal. I mean we desperately needed attacking reinforcements heading into the world cup - what did we do, got rid and sold a centre forward and wide forward and brought no one in - criminal.

I agree on Kean by the way! ;)
 
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Neiler said:
We wont mate, we dont have the patience Brighton have here, we as fans are as culpable as anyone - they have development pathways but more importantly patience - they developed Macallister, Cacedio, Ferguson, Cuca and Mitoma, Bisouma etc - that sometimes means sticking lads in, letting them fail and having patience.

We dont do it here, we run young players we are trying to develop out of the club - Vlasic, Kean, Lookman, Gordon - we piller them, call the snides, homesick, rubbish etc - we dont know how to develop players and fans dont have the patience to do it.

So until that changes its pointless scouting talented young players its just wasting money - saw lads sharpening knives in the Onana thread last week.
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They have a feeder club in Belgium and most of their foreign players do a year over there first before coming back to the Brighton first team.
 

There are so many imponderables and unknowns
Neiler said:
We wont mate, we dont have the patience Brighton have here, we as fans are as culpable as anyone - they have development pathways but more importantly patience - they developed Macallister, Cacedio, Ferguson, Cuca and Mitoma, Bisouma etc - that sometimes means sticking lads in, letting them fail and having patience.

We dont do it here, we run young players we are trying to develop out of the club - Vlasic, Kean, Lookman, Gordon - we piller them, call the snides, homesick, rubbish etc - we dont know how to develop players and fans dont have the patience to do it.

So until that changes its pointless scouting talented young players its just wasting money - saw lads sharpening knives in the Onana thread last week.
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It’s a curious trait this impatience with young players that has become endemic here.
I do wonder if any other club has developed the same lack of forbearance with young players.
Perhaps our long years without any success have increased our impatience with everything including the time needed for young players to develop.
As a collective mind set it’s incredibly self defeating though. We aren’t going to be buying top players in their prime , so we have to be able to develop young players who may become top players in time.
If we refuse to foster an environment where young players can prosper we will have to fill our ranks with lower table journeymen and fading ‘stars’. No point being surprised if we then subsequently spend most our time in the nether regions of the PL or battling in the Championship.
 
Groucho said:
We haven’t bought an out and out goalscorer since Lukaku.
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On this point I wish to add that some, many, of you wanted rid of Lukaku saying things like “I’ll drive him to Old Trafford myself” and “he’s lazy” and “we’ll share the goals about”.

All I hope is that my beloved fellow decent posters of GOT recognise our biggest enemy is within and until these people are CRUSHED there can be no peace or progress.
 
Neiler said:
We wont mate, we dont have the patience Brighton have here, we as fans are as culpable as anyone - they have development pathways but more importantly patience - they developed Macallister, Cacedio, Ferguson, Cuca and Mitoma, Bisouma etc - that sometimes means sticking lads in, letting them fail and having patience.

We dont do it here, we run young players developing players we are trying to develop out of the club - Vlasic, Kean, Lookman, Gordon - we piller them, call them snides, homesick, rubbish etc - we dont know how to develop players and fans dont have the patience to do it.

So until that changes its pointless scouting talented young players its just wasting money - saw lads sharpening knives in the Onana thread last week.
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True enough, I've always advocated for patience and letting young players play, even Davies has been mismanaged. Although something Brighton do is farm them out to a club in Belgium until they are ready
 
Eggsyblueskin said:
There are so many imponderables and unknowns

It’s a curious trait this impatience with young players that has become endemic here.
I do wonder if any other club has developed the same lack of forbearance with young players.
Perhaps our long years without any success have increased our impatience with everything including the time needed for young players to develop.
As a collective mind set it’s incredibly self defeating though. We aren’t going to be buying top players in their prime , so we have to be able to develop young players who may become top players in time.
If we refuse to foster an environment where young players can prosper we will have to fill our ranks with lower table journeymen and fading ‘stars’. No point being surprised if we then subsequently spend most our time in the nether regions of the PL or battling in the Championship.
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Good post mate, couldn't agree more mate, its now a trend.

Both the club and us as fans are culpable.

I look at Gordon as an example - to my mind he was put into an awful situation by the club. Developmentally what he needed is what he is getting at Newcastle, playing without pressure and 30 mins here and there, putting work into training and then in games incrementally, in a year, year and half he could be dropping shapes. Thats what he needed.

What he got here was the hopes of the club resting on his shoulders, Richarlison sold, Dom not being able to string two performances together and the expectation that he had to create and score - as the singular hope of the club. He didnt and couldn't do that developmentally and because he couldn't he was abused, culminating in the lad wanting out of the club.

He may make it, he may not, but its becoming a well worn path at the club when it comes to young players.

If James Garner comes in, posts five bad performances causes a few goals, the cycle will begin again.

From a business point of view - you are bang on the money - its self defeating and expensive. We were prepared to give Danjuma 100k a week and 5 mill loan fee to Villareal when Gordon cost us 5k a week. Thats poor economics and desperation, bred from the trend i talk about.
 

chicoazul said:
On this point I wish to add that some, many, of you wanted rid of Lukaku saying things like “I’ll drive him to Old Trafford myself” and “he’s lazy” and “we’ll share the goals about”.

All I hope is that my beloved fellow decent posters of GOT recognise our biggest enemy is within and until these people are CRUSHED there can be no peace or progress.
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You forgot “ Trampoline Shins “
 
Neiler said:
Couldn't agree more mate, its now a trend.

Both the club and us as fans are culpable.

I look at Gordon as an example - to my mind he was put into an awful situation by the club. Developmentally what he needed is what he is getting at Newcastle, playing without pressure and 30 mins here and there, putting work into training and then in games incrementally, in a year, year and half he could be dropping shapes. Thats what he needed.

What he got here was the hopes of the club resting on his shoulders, Richarlison sold, Dom not being able to string two performances together and the expectation that he had to create and score - as the singular hope of the club. He didnt and couldn't do that developmentally and because he couldn't he was abused, culminating in the lad wanting out of the club.

He may make it, he may not, but its becoming a well worn path at the club when it comes to young players.

If James Garner comes in, posts five bad performances causes a few goals, the cycle will beginning again.

From a business point of view - you are bang on the money - its self defeating and expensive. we were prepared to give Danjuma 100 k a week and 5 mill loan fee to Villareal when Gordon cost us 5k a week. Thats poor economics and desperation, bred from the trend i talk about.
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It took all of twenty minutes, for the first post, to be posted, calling Simms crap, on his full debut mate.

We‘ve got what we deserve.
 

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