Well well well

[steken1]

EFCNIK definitely reads the Daily Express.

I'd hazard a guess that NIK has a bit more real life experience of being around Islam dominated areas than most people commenting.

Means sweet FA to the OP, which by the sounds of it, was a butchers wife with a cob on.

 

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[Blue 1]

The grooming gang epidemic can be justified by 'sharia law', and there are certain groups of muslims who go around enforcing sharia in 'muslim areas' by taking drink off people etc etc but I agree its not particullaly a wide problem. But it will be.

No. It can't. That's exactly the kind of **** people used to say about the Talmud.

 

[Dell Boy]

Why is it when people question the unreformed role of islam and the problems its causing do people throw around the standard response of The EDL... They have nothing to do with anything.

But what are these problems? You quoted the grooming gang epidemic earlier as "justifiable by Sharia law". I'm not even going to question that statement - but anything else?

And the reason that people bring the EDL into it is the fact that it is that crowd alone that are screaming about the issue.

If muslim communities want to sort out their low level issues amongst themselves with sharia law then fine. I don't recall any of the defendants in the grooming cases using sharia law as a defence nor equally do I know of other white/Christian sex offenders and paedophiles using any particular line of religious defence.

 

[hullefc]

Do your research. Watch some videos. Don't just listen to the media. The EDL has some very bad apples amongst there ranks, I am unfortunate enough to know a few, and there will be lots of racist who want to attach themselves to it. But what is worrying is when you take what they say (not what they do) which is 'we are against militant islam' people immediately concluded racism. Unfortunatly The EDL is the only group who is willing to speak out against it, and they are immediately shot down and not listened. That is only going to get people more frustrated and is the precise reason they are growing. They are a symptom of people throwing the R word around and not addressing the obvious issues.

I know plenty of ex EDL/BNP and also plenty of those that have EDL/BNP sympathies, some go on the marches. What are people 'frustrated' about? It takes a massive leap to blame 'militant Islam' for the problems people face in Britain. What part did 'militant Islam' play in my mate getting laid off from the docks because he is on a casual contract and there is no work for him?

Obviously, 'militant Islam' is at the centre of his unemployed problems at the moment. And there is very few Muslims to 'blame' for the unemployment.

There is an increase in people on the streets in the town I live. A lot with drug and drink problems. Is that the fault of 'militant Islam'?

The EDLers, I know, are nowhere to be seen demonstrating against the closure of an OAP's home near me. Why? All the residents are white and English. What are the English Defence League actually defending? Certainly not the English OAP's threatened with being forced to move home.

On its website it states, 'EDL are an inclusive movement dedicated to peacefully protesting against Islamic extremism'. That is it. The single issue of 'Islamic extremism'. Why aren't they against other religious extremists like millitant Protestantism in occupied Ireland, or Scotland? No it is against the 'extremism' of a religion with the vast majority are of a different ethnic/race than those of the EDL. Smells like and is racist.

 

[steken1]

But what are these problems? You quoted the grooming gang epidemic earlier as "justifiable by Sharia law". I'm not even going to question that statement - but anything else?

And the reason that people bring the EDL into it is the fact that it is that crowd alone that are screaming about the issue.

If muslim communities want to sort out their low level issues amongst themselves with sharia law then fine. I don't recall any of the defendants in the grooming cases using sharia law as a defence nor equally do I know of other white/Christian sex offenders and paedophiles using any particular line of religious defence.

It is used quite often in Islamic states like Afghanistan where it's common for young boys known as 'dancing boys' to be sytematically raped by predatory men who cannot and will not be charged with a crime due to that ridiculous law.

The same way that a man is only viewed as homosexual and punished if he is the person recieving Anal sex.

Many moderate muslims have openly stated that their communities have issues with child abuse due to some viewing 'Kuffurs' as lesser people and interpreting their book as allowing them to do as they please to them.

Every piece I read, from a variety of sources, says that extremism is on the rise in British Muslim area's. How quick that rise happens and the issue is forced is open to debate. To ignore it so you can say I'm sound/tolerant/understanding/educated/multi-cultural is pathetic.

 

[EFCNIK]

I know plenty of ex EDL/BNP and also plenty of those that have EDL/BNP sympathies, some go on the marches. What are people 'frustrated' about? It takes a massive leap to blame 'militant Islam' for the problems people face in Britain. What part did 'militant Islam' play in my mate getting laid off from the docks because he is on a casual contract and there is no work for him?

Obviously, 'militant Islam' is at the centre of his unemployed problems at the moment. And there is very few Muslims to 'blame' for the unemployment.

There is an increase in people on the streets in the town I live. A lot with drug and drink problems. Is that the fault of 'militant Islam'?

The EDLers, I know, are nowhere to be seen demonstrating against the closure of an OAP's home near me. Why? All the residents are white and English. What are the English Defence League actually defending? Certainly not the English OAP's threatened with being forced to move home.

On its website it states, 'EDL are an inclusive movement dedicated to peacefully protesting against Islamic extremism'. That is it. The single issue of 'Islamic extremism'. Why aren't they against other religious extremists like millitant Protestantism in occupied Ireland, or Scotland? No it is against the 'extremism' of a religion with the vast majority are of a different ethnic/race than those of the EDL. Smells like and is racist.

What a ****ing stupid argument. They are a focus group. That's like saying why aren't feminists protesting about fuel prices or a gay rights movement protesting againt whale slaughter in Japan. No one is doing anything about the growing problem of Islamic extremeism in the UK, and also for what I believe to be a two tier police system and that's what they are focussed on. As I said, the way some of them behave can leave a lot to be desired although most of the violence is started by the extremely fascist 'unite against facism'. Notice how you don't pour scorn on them, because they have a positive name and that's all you hear in the media. They are far worse and far more violent than the EDL.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

'they are a focus group'

Hahaha

/close thread.

 

[toffee-fellaini]

Jesus wept.

 

[EFCNIK]

'they are a focus group'

Hahaha

/close thread.

Well they are. Why every topic of convo to do with this gets dragged down to talking about The EDL is beyond me. Its a standard come back that means literally nothing and doesn't actually win you any argument.

 

[Dell Boy]

Well they are. Why every topic of convo to do with this gets dragged down to talking about The EDL is beyond me. Its a standard come back that means literally nothing and doesn't actually win you any argument.

The EDL get drawn into every discussion on "the impending dangers of a growth of militant Islam in the UK" because they alone are proclaiming it to be an issue. And you.

I will be perfectly straight and say that I personally find the concept of Sharia law to be barbaric and frankly ridiculous and beyond a point that an educated person should ever take it seriously. If I ever thought there was even a small chance that militant Islam could take root in this country as a serious political force - capable of effecting my life and those of my kids I would fight it to the end of my days.

But there isn't. I don't believe there is any resonance between this militant brand of Islam and the mainstream religion. Other than the fact that certain parts of UK cities are increasingly become satellite immigrant settlements I do not see any change day to day. And I can happily let live. Perhaps as the son of immigrants I have a different view to this. I just don't see it as a piece of "Forever England" lost to the infidel.

This idea that you (and the EDL) keep perpetuating that somehow militant Islam is going to force through any sense of Sharia Law on non-Muslims in western democracy is absolutely ridiculous. Our legal systems and our sense of democracy are far more robust than you give credit to.

Every level of English society would rise up if it were true. But it's not and it will not stand any chance of succeeding.

So what I find myself believing is a pretty distasteful thought that a certain element of UK society (led by the EDL etc) just does not like immigration for lots of reasons and use this idea of pending sharia law as pure and simple scaremongering. These immigrants are different. They have different colour skins and often don't speak English. They are easily identifiable and end up as a rallying point for the country's disenfranchised.

Unless you can find evidence of this threat from Islam then all you are doing is whipping up hatred - which is a pretty repulsive and stupid thing to do.

 

[Blue 1]

The EDL get drawn into every discussion on "the impending dangers of a growth of militant Islam in the UK" because they alone are proclaiming it to be an issue. And you.

I will be perfectly straight and say that I personally find the concept of Sharia law to be barbaric and frankly ridiculous and beyond a point that an educated person should ever take it seriously. If I ever thought there was even a small chance that militant Islam could take root in this country as a serious political force - capable of effecting my life and those of my kids I would fight it to the end of my days.

But there isn't. I don't believe there is any resonance between this militant brand of Islam and the mainstream religion. Other than the fact that certain parts of UK cities are increasingly become satellite immigrant settlements I do not see any change day to day. And I can happily let live. Perhaps as the son of immigrants I have a different view to this. I just don't see it as a piece of "Forever England" lost to the infidel.

This idea that you (and the EDL) keep perpetuating that somehow militant Islam is going to force through any sense of Sharia Law on non-Muslims in western democracy is absolutely ridiculous. Our legal systems and our sense of democracy are far more robust than you give credit to.

Every level of English society would rise up if it were true. But it's not and it will not stand any chance of succeeding.

So what I find myself believing is a pretty distasteful thought that a certain element of UK society (led by the EDL etc) just does not like immigration for lots of reasons and use this idea of pending sharia law as pure and simple scaremongering. These immigrants are different. They have different colour skins and often don't speak English. They are easily identifiable and end up as a rallying point for the country's disenfranchised.

Unless you can find evidence of this threat from Islam then all you are doing is whipping up hatred - which is a pretty repulsive and stupid thing to do.

*stands and applauds*

 

[davek]

But what are these problems? You quoted the grooming gang epidemic earlier as "justifiable by Sharia law". I'm not even going to question that statement - but anything else?

And the reason that people bring the EDL into it is the fact that it is that crowd alone that are screaming about the issue.

If muslim communities want to sort out their low level issues amongst themselves with sharia law then fine. I don't recall any of the defendants in the grooming cases using sharia law as a defence nor equally do I know of other white/Christian sex offenders and paedophiles using any particular line of religious defence.

Correct mate.

There's such a thing a community courts and schemes in Britain. Pretty much serves the same purpose of settling local disputes/small scale crime. Sharia Law as practiced in Britain is just a branch of that type of action.

It's a good thing.

 

[EFCNIK]

7/7 and Lee Rigby not good enough to highlight the growing threat of radical Islam? OK MATE. Your pal Andram likes this.

 

[steken1]

The EDL get drawn into every discussion on "the impending dangers of a growth of militant Islam in the UK" because they alone are proclaiming it to be an issue. And you.

I will be perfectly straight and say that I personally find the concept of Sharia law to be barbaric and frankly ridiculous and beyond a point that an educated person should ever take it seriously. If I ever thought there was even a small chance that militant Islam could take root in this country as a serious political force - capable of effecting my life and those of my kids I would fight it to the end of my days.

But there isn't. I don't believe there is any resonance between this militant brand of Islam and the mainstream religion. Other than the fact that certain parts of UK cities are increasingly become satellite immigrant settlements I do not see any change day to day. And I can happily let live. Perhaps as the son of immigrants I have a different view to this. I just don't see it as a piece of "Forever England" lost to the infidel.

This idea that you (and the EDL) keep perpetuating that somehow militant Islam is going to force through any sense of Sharia Law on non-Muslims in western democracy is absolutely ridiculous. Our legal systems and our sense of democracy are far more robust than you give credit to.

Every level of English society would rise up if it were true. But it's not and it will not stand any chance of succeeding.

So what I find myself believing is a pretty distasteful thought that a certain element of UK society (led by the EDL etc) just does not like immigration for lots of reasons and use this idea of pending sharia law as pure and simple scaremongering. These immigrants are different. They have different colour skins and often don't speak English. They are easily identifiable and end up as a rallying point for the country's disenfranchised.

Unless you can find evidence of this threat from Islam then all you are doing is whipping up hatred - which is a pretty repulsive and stupid thing to do.

The former head of MI5, a lady who's name escapes me, recently did an interview stating that our security forces are now stretched to the absolute limit and it's only a matter of time before we miss more attacks like the ones we have seen recently.

We all know who that threat is from. Whether Sharia Law becomes commonplace or not it's highly likely British citizens will be murdered on their own streets.

Why is the threat growing? Because radicalised homegrown, and immigrant, Muslims are willing and able to attack the country in numbers like we haven't seen before.