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Don't think we do mate, but we do ask for a bit of commitment, passion, effort, none of that was on show from the manager and players against Chelsea, we just stood there admiring them passing the ball around us for fun.
That performance was embarrassing and on par with the performance against the RS last season.
I will wait to see what happens in the next two transfer windows before starting to panic. We need a complete overhaul.
EFC78
Player Valuation: £25m
Think people need to be a bit more patient with their expectations. We should be concerned in 2 or 3 seasons time if the same thing is happening but Moshiri only came in at the end of February when the season was already over thanks to Martinez' incompetence and the weak and fragile players that we seem to have. We have got rid of Martinez' incompetence as a step in the right direction but unfortunately a lot of these players are still the same mentally weak ones that crumbled throughout the past 2 seasons. Let's be honest and fair though, Chelsea just have far better players than us and deservedly swept us aside last night.
If you look at Man City, they were taken over by Shinawatra in 2007 before the start of the 2007/08 season. They came 9th that season having signed players like Elano, Corluka and Benjani, and then Mark Hughes took over from Sven and Sheikh Mansour came in around the start of the 2008/09 season. That season they actually dropped a place and finished 10th but that was the season they made their statement with Robinho, but also brought in Kompany, Zabaleta and Bellamy. Not quite the instant success some of their fanbase would have been hoping for though is it, particularly having splashed the cash on Robinho. The season after they did improve significantly and came 5th in 2009/10 and then established themselves as a top 4 club/title winner in the seasons following that. It took them about 3 seasons to see noticeable improvement, and a 4th season to get themselves in to the top 4.
My point is that although we aren't going to replicate the success Man City have as their takeover dwarfed ours and things have changed, they didn't actually improve significantly until their third season. I'd expect us to be similar. There a lot of players who have been here for too long and sadly just don't have that winning mentality or top class ability and it showed last night. Players like Jagielka, Coleman, Mirallas, Oviedo whilst good players, aren't going to have us going to Stamford Bridge and winning when they have assembled a first 11 with players like Hazard, Costa and Courtois in it.
This season for me is about getting back to where we were under Moyes, a top 7 side, possibly 6 given how poor Man United have been, and then next summer, we can start to try and attract the better players that we were unable to this summer given we came a pathetic 11th place.
I'm in my late 20's so have never seen a successful Everton side, but I have seen a lot of poor ones around the late 90's, and I still think the club is in the best position now since the Premier League era started. It will just take a bit of time to put right.
If you look at Man City, they were taken over by Shinawatra in 2007 before the start of the 2007/08 season. They came 9th that season having signed players like Elano, Corluka and Benjani, and then Mark Hughes took over from Sven and Sheikh Mansour came in around the start of the 2008/09 season. That season they actually dropped a place and finished 10th but that was the season they made their statement with Robinho, but also brought in Kompany, Zabaleta and Bellamy. Not quite the instant success some of their fanbase would have been hoping for though is it, particularly having splashed the cash on Robinho. The season after they did improve significantly and came 5th in 2009/10 and then established themselves as a top 4 club/title winner in the seasons following that. It took them about 3 seasons to see noticeable improvement, and a 4th season to get themselves in to the top 4.
My point is that although we aren't going to replicate the success Man City have as their takeover dwarfed ours and things have changed, they didn't actually improve significantly until their third season. I'd expect us to be similar. There a lot of players who have been here for too long and sadly just don't have that winning mentality or top class ability and it showed last night. Players like Jagielka, Coleman, Mirallas, Oviedo whilst good players, aren't going to have us going to Stamford Bridge and winning when they have assembled a first 11 with players like Hazard, Costa and Courtois in it.
This season for me is about getting back to where we were under Moyes, a top 7 side, possibly 6 given how poor Man United have been, and then next summer, we can start to try and attract the better players that we were unable to this summer given we came a pathetic 11th place.
I'm in my late 20's so have never seen a successful Everton side, but I have seen a lot of poor ones around the late 90's, and I still think the club is in the best position now since the Premier League era started. It will just take a bit of time to put right.
Agreed. I appreciate and understand people have their reservations over the direction of the club (some just, others unjust) but patience is key.
If the club is to be transformed into one that will compete at the higher echelons of the league then it will take an extended period of time.
Even more so when you consider the decline we faced under the last two years under Martinez, before considering our stagnation before then.
For me, as you mention, the next two windows and the period in between will be the litmus test for what direction the club is going.
And that's including Moshiri's, Koeman's and the players own intentions and desires. The summer was disappointing but it's only one window.
Talking purely speculatively, come August we may have announcements on a new stadium, a revitalised squad and possibly European football.
Equally we may not be at that stage, however there may be signs that we're progressing towards these final outcomes. It's too early to judge yet.
Frank Gallagher
Player Valuation: £50m
i get your point.
but, even with a group of players that dont neccersarily fit your style of play, we should NEVER under perform like that lastnight. Koeman should be able to get the best out of whatever players he's got. its one thing that really stands out with them across the park, klopps getting a real tune out of some mediocre players.
toffee matt
Player Valuation: £60m
I take it this is the Croxteth option?
Creature
I'm a Country Member
So if we won he would still have started the thread?
Why not start it last Friday?
Maybe the OP should not have started with 'this is not a knee jerk reaction' when, in reality, in his mind, it patently is. He could just as well have joined in one or all of the other threads already covering the OP's statement.
Frank Gallagher
Player Valuation: £50m
Gotta keep that tower thingy - dead Ironic tha...or move it to Crocky.
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