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What is the plan? Were are we heading?

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A good question from the OP.

I hadn't particularly thought about a more bullish attitude from RK in the face of sitting on a large transfer budget, but he can only work with the players he currently has. After the novelty of his initial honesty and straight talking (now worn off a bit for me), he would look foolish in the extreme talking up our prospects on the basis of signings that have yet to be made.

As for Moshiri, its apparent that he is not savvy or experienced in dealing with the media despite his personal wealth. And his Jim White texts were a disaster for someone trying to communicate with fans, as good as his intentions may have been. We can only hope he has learned from that.

So, as to the question "Where are we heading" then it seems we might expect slow but steady improvement with plenty of bumps on the way until Koeman has a squad that is made up of his own players by and large. It's still a decent enough start despite yesterday. I appreciate the difficulties he has - IMO this squad is awful, populated with distinctly average players in the main, and more worringly, players whose attitude and commitment are very questionable, no, very very poor. We have a lot of players that are on a downward curve and going through the motions in collecting their wages.

One thing I think is becoming clearer is that this rebuilding job will take up the majority of Koeman's 3 year contract. If, as I hope there is a large turnover of players in the next 12-18 months, then it will take further time to gel things together. The strategy of aiming for signings of the likes of Witsel and Mata will probably have to be jettisoned in favour of signing players who can play together and consolidate us as a Top 7 team. We have to be practical and deliberate with our targets and cut our cloth accordingly.

I have never been bothered as such by making high-profile and/or elite signings, not that we can get those players - for me its about having genuine competition for places right across the squad and cover in all areas whilst keeping an eye on the appropriate mix of youth and experience. It should not be reduced to signing Enner Valencia on loan - with all due respect to him he'll get a goal or two if he's lucky before May and then return to West Ham - what good will he have done for Everton?

It would be great to be a fly on the wall as to Koeman's thinking. I always thought from the start that it was a risk for him taking this job given a generational history of failure at Everton. Perhaps he did take it for $$$, but he is going to have a hell of a challenge on his hands transforming us into a Champions League outfit within 3 years, if that's the intention. If he achieves it and then wants to leave, he will have my lifelong thanks. I would be sceptical of this, my feeling is this rebuilding will take longer with the prospect of better things only becoming more likely, if at all, by the end of his first contract.

What Koeman, and the club want, in the longer-term, only they will know. As fans we are told nothing and that's a completely other issue to be addressed.
 
Patience patience patience. We were very patient with our two previous managers. For some unknown reason, with the league becoming the most competitive for years and because we have an owner that is far far from being the richest in the league, that after only a few months and 11 games we should somehow be doing better than 6th place with a squad most of which are 3 years behind actually being any good at football.
 
Patience patience patience. We were very patient with our two previous managers. For some unknown reason, with the league becoming the most competitive for years and because we have an owner that is far far from being the richest in the league, that after only a few months and 11 games we should somehow be doing better than 6th place with a squad most of which are 3 years behind actually being any good at football.
Patience and realism. We had a decent start and are going through a bad batch. The squad needs improving but it's going to take time and serious money has to be spent.
 

I will wait to see what happens in the next two transfer windows before starting to panic. We need a complete overhaul.


If the slump we have experienced since mid September continues at the rate it had been going, and the games we have coming down the pike between now and Christmas holds out little hope that it won't, you are going to be panicking way before that :(
 
Not a knee jerk reaction but we are seriously crap being taken for a ride by a cringe worthy lying chairman and a smug manager who thinks we are a tin pot club.

Only a buy out like Chelsea or city would allow us to challenge the best and unfortunately that's never going to happen.

7th place is the best we can ever hope for, we've missed the boat massively by not investing during the start of the premier league era.
 
Patience patience patience. We were very patient with our two previous managers. For some unknown reason, with the league becoming the most competitive for years and because we have an owner that is far far from being the richest in the league, that after only a few months and 11 games we should somehow be doing better than 6th place with a squad most of which are 3 years behind actually being any good at football.

Exactly right. The league is much more competitive this year; there are probably 6 teams in with a chance of winning the title, all of which have been spending money year on year building their squads. We are just starting out and won't be transformed overnight. If we can get 7 or higher this season with a decent cup run it will be a decent start with a chance to keep strengthening in each window.
 

Khal... He was on holiday already when the contract was signed.

And no we don't play a dull style.

When it's clicked so far (the few times it has) it has been delightful. However, we did get our arse handed to us last night.

But, we're sixth. We're higher now than we have been at any point in the last two years. Small steps and all that.

The plan is to be challenging for the European spots. There's still absolutely no reason why we can't do just that.

It's very dull so far with a sprinkling of decent moments. Much if the last two seasons were very dull also.

He needs time. He will get it. But it is dull so far and kind of what I expected. Hopefully Koemoyes is a roaring success though, as I'd quite like a trophy or a Champions League run.
 
it would be very nice to hear the overall plan for the next 5 years, and going forward,from the one person who actually knows. no not koeman, and definatly not kenwright. our new 'major shareholder' mr moshiri.

the silence is starting to get absolutely deafening.
I agree, I'd be ashamed of that lot if I owned it.
A few words of reassurance would be all it took from him.
 
And no it hasn't. We've been, on the whole, winning. People were complaining last year about wanting points rather than style and now it's the other way around, they still aren't happy.

Bit of a silly argument Toff. The old 'people' wanted this or that and now they have it and 'people' aren't happy. Who are these posters ?

I want points and style personally. We had seasons of percentage football and I'd prefer not to go back to it. As I've said he may do better in the future but for the moment it is dull and not very exciting.
 
Bit of a silly argument Toff. The old 'people' wanted this or that and now they have it and 'people' aren't happy. Who are these posters ?

I want points and style personally. We had seasons of percentage football and I'd prefer not to go back to it. As I've said he may do better in the future but for the moment it is dull and not very exciting.

I want both as well.

But don't tell me there wasn't loads last year who were saying 'points over style'.

I personally don't think the football has been anywhere near as dull as people have made out either.

It's been pessimistic, but when it's clicked we've looked very, very good.

The issue is it hasn't clicked enough, and yesterday our traditional slow start to games got punished.

The problem really boils down to intensity. Koeman wants us to play with pace and intensity - like he got S'ton doing.

Unfortunately, I just don't think the players we have are capable of it, and there is absolutely nothing in terms of movement.

That has been the problem for the entirety of 2016, not just since Koeman took over.
 

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