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What Was Worse to Watch? This, or the Smith Era?

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The Equaliser said:
FFS. So it's "debatable at best" whether Duncan Ferguson was a good player or not. Same for John Collins. Same for the rest of the ones that I mentioned. Think it's you who might need to wake up a bit lad if you think they were average.

I "get my logic" from having watched Everton since Harry Catterick was manager. So I think I know what I'm talking about when comparing the Smith and Moyes eras.
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Yes, it's debatable! Dunc was a hero or a crocked waster, depending on the banter. And just because the cannonball kid was the last good striker you saw, it doesn't make your opinion more valid.
 
To answer the OP. This. Its awful. turgid, dreary and downright ugly I'd go as far as anti-football. And don't start with we sold Arteta and peanuts and Beckford etc etc.
A few years back the fans booed the team and manager for lining up with a 4-5-1 at home v Spurs and we lost and we were a much better team than Spurs then.
Moyes constantly picks the same players in or out of their right positions and the results are less than inspiring.
The school of science closed its doors years ago and mores the pity.
 
billybinghamsboy said:
To answer the OP. This. Its awful. turgid, dreary and downright ugly I'd go as far as anti-football. And don't start with we sold Arteta and peanuts and Beckford etc etc.
A few years back the fans booed the team and manager for lining up with a 4-5-1 at home v Spurs and we lost and we were a much better team than Spurs then.
Moyes constantly picks the same players in or out of their right positions and the results are less than inspiring.
The school of science closed its doors years ago and mores the pity.
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Moyes is so scared to attack and that transmits through to the players.
The football we have played this season is the worst i can remember.
 

Right now, the Smith team was worse but played slightly better football than the present Moyes one. Having said that, if this current team gets relegated then it IS the worst team playing the worst football.

But who would replace Moyes? Surely there's a Championship manager we haven't heard of that could manage us for the next 10 years - a man who would strike a pact to accept whatever the board say or do without a word of complaint - reward: job for life?
 
snipellis11 said:
is there any players that played in the starting 11 under walter that would get into our team now? maybe the strikers.
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There are plenty.

Smith didnt but bad players per se, he just played them in the wrong positions.

Dacourt, Materazzi, Hutchison, Campbell and Radzinski out of the ones Smith brought in would all get in or about our team right now. Infact any striker would come to think of it.
 
how depressing ....imagine watching a game vs both squads ........i would deffo hav to check out the guiness book of records for a game having the most defenders on at the same time
 
I think part of the problem is that the players are in their comfort zone as they know that they are guaranteed a start no matter how badly they play.
 

Difficult to compare, different eras really, even though so close. We thought paying out big sums and big wages then was a liberty - well the situation has gotten much worse. It is some spectacle where the manager is the lowest paid person in the dressing room.
 
i think this is true (even pienaar touched on it in a interview recently)but when the manager wont roll the dice and take a gamble why would they need to do any different

Simon Andrews said:
I think part of the problem is that the players are in their comfort zone as they know that they are guaranteed a start no matter how badly they play.
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TheBlueGibbon said:
There's one hell of a massive elephant in the room blaming the sale of Arteta and Pienaar, the fact that we were playing almost as bad at times against shíte opposition when they were still here. I'm not saying that losing and Pienaar has had no effect, but it's not necessarily the only reason why we are playing so badly.
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This.

We coped without both/or 1 of the players last season. The football and tactics werent always working with them in the squad at the start of last season. We had a change of fortune when pienaar and Cahill (Asia cup) left and the tactics changed.

The problem is not these 2 leaving and not replaced, its the inability to change and adapt tactically.

The biggest problem was the sale of the strikers IMO and not getting anyone in.

Beckford wouldve given us a few more points on the board imo as he gave us a different options. options we dont have now
 
There is no way that we had a better team under Smith, but i think it seems worse now because we are capable of so much more, and Moyes' negativity is holding us back
 

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