Who should replace Frank Lampard?

[matty1878]

It's probably come as a total shock to the hirer and firer - who ever it actually is -
H&F:
"We have to sack Lampard? and now we need a new manager?"
"Why tf wasn't I told of this before?"

Barer of bad news in best Stephen Fry Jeeves mode;
"If Sir may recall, I did mention the possibility before your antipodean trip"

"Where tf do think I'll find one at short notice, I'm not a kin miracle worker"
*kicks over coffee table and cups, sinks into plush leather armchair head in hands*
"Why me? Why is it always kin me?"

Jeeves; "Because you're here Sir, because you're here."
* leaves the room unobtrusively and quietly closes door*
"Tosser."

we know they will wait for another few games then panic more.

honestly we are nothing but relegation

 

[nsno-chris]

baines? lol

Matty, Daves probably right. We’ve seen Unsworth and Ferguson (twice) been given the reign’s because the club never has a plan

 

[toffeeblue9]

I just want us to approach this differently

Benefit of the doubt for a moment...

Lampard was appointed before Thelwell last year, there was no implementation of any sort of overarching plan at DOF level at that point

Since then we are told that Thelwell has been doing a root and branch overhaul of the areas of the club he is responsible for (still not complete). Part of that overhaul has been to implement a way of playing which is consistent across age groups at the club.

Whoever comes in has to be consistent with that approach otherwise what's the point? I don't know exactly what style of football we are talking about, but what we 100% have to avoid is appointing a quick fix type manager - Dyche or even Moyes would probably not fit the approach above

By all means change the manager, but please be consistent in the approach or everything is for no reason at all

 

[Axlswhk]

Enrique is a good shout there...

Luiz Enrique? Why?

 

[davek]

Which will raise about £20m the form he’s been in

I think the people in the summer arguing for a sale then have been vindicated, tbh. I wanted him kept because we should have been building with him and buyong better players around him. The lack of cash for a striker after Calvert-Lewin pulled up again was pathetic. I never thought the board would allow that to happen.

Still, I bet the reports of a Chelsea £60M bid were BS and it was in the region of £30M plus add ons.

 

[allen]

Sacked Silva without a replacement lined up, dragged on for an age before Ancelotti become available.

As for replacements...

We missed the boat big time with Emery sadly. I was gutted Aston Villa got him. They sounded him out an give Gerrard the boot.

Pochettino said a few weeks ago he'd consider any Premier League job. Who else is he going to go to? Not sure he'd even be the right choice - he's 50, the same age as Emery. His credentials are what... a decent few years at Spurs? Look at that Spurs team he had. Look at the PSG team he's just been with - can he adjust to a team like ours? Always found his profile to be overly inflated - it's entirely based on a few years at Spurs, and links to Man Utd.

Then there's Dyche - I think his pragmatism would give us a better chance than Lampard at staying up.

Martinez would crawl over broken glass to come back - on the eve of a world cup he was asking the Belgian FA to allow him to job share with Everton. He'd be a terrible choice IMO - the very opposite to Dyche in terms of having zero pragmatism.

As would Moyes (crawl over broken glass) when West Ham sack him, probably if they lose tonight. I wouldn't want Moyes, he's spent a fortune at West Ham, they have a much better squad than us and currently performing even worse than us this season.

The vacuum of imagination and competence at board level is what worries me most right now - significantly more so than Lampard.

Martinez and Moyes are primed, as you say, to be slotted in with minimal thought or effort.

I’m saddened that so much of the focus is on Lampard at the moment, rather than the board - especially in the media.

Even if you’re someone 100% convinced Lampard needs to go, the problem isn’t him. It’s that he got the job in the first place, following on from a catastrophic appointment in Benitez.

We do not have competent people in place to hire a manager and I don’t know who fixes that, or how they fix it.

 

[nevsonlymate]

I just want us to approach this differently

Benefit of the doubt for a moment...

Lampard was appointed before Thelwell last year, there was no implementation of any sort of overarching plan at DOF level at that point

Since then we are told that Thelwell has been doing a root and branch overhaul of the areas of the club he is responsible for (still not complete). Part of that overhaul has been to implement a way of playing which is consistent across age groups at the club.

Whoever comes in has to be consistent with that approach otherwise what's the point? I don't know exactly what style of football we are talking about, but what we 100% have to avoid is appointing a quick fix type manager - Dyche or even Moyes would probably not fit the approach above

By all means change the manager, but please be consistent in the approach or everything is for no reason at all

If Thelwell can work out the way we are playing at present and implement that across the board he's a better judge of football than most Everton fans as i have no idea what plan A is never mind a plan B

 

[The_Street_End]

I just want us to approach this differently

Benefit of the doubt for a moment...

Lampard was appointed before Thelwell last year, there was no implementation of any sort of overarching plan at DOF level at that point

Since then we are told that Thelwell has been doing a root and branch overhaul of the areas of the club he is responsible for (still not complete). Part of that overhaul has been to implement a way of playing which is consistent across age groups at the club.

Whoever comes in has to be consistent with that approach otherwise what's the point? I don't know exactly what style of football we are talking about, but what we 100% have to avoid is appointing a quick fix type manager - Dyche or even Moyes would probably not fit the approach above

By all means change the manager, but please be consistent in the approach or everything is for no reason at all

I'd love to agree with this, but we need to stay in the league first mate. I see no glimmer of hope this lot can keep us in it, playing football the 'right' way.

 

[mccole]

Enrique is a good shout there...

He is but after the World Cup and his profile bigger than this job, I just think he would happily wait until the end of the season

 

[toffeeblue9]

I'd love to agree with this, but we need to stay in the league first mate. I see no glimmer of hope this lot can keep us in it, playing football the 'right' way.

Not the "right" way mate, just consistent with whatever the agreed plan is

There are many, many competent managers in the world. Many of whom will be able to fit into an agreed strategy of a basic fundamental way of playing. It doesn't need to be "Moyes/Dyche/Allardyce/etc will keep us in the league, go for that"

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Lampard was appointed before Thelwell last year, there was no implementation of any sort of overarching plan at DOF level at that point

Is this true mate?

Brands joined us, replacing a previous DOF in Walsh in 2018. Walsh, a chief scout at Leicester - was put in that position by our existing Everton board. A mistake.

This is from January 2019;

Everton hope the appointment of Marcel Brands to a boardroom role will provide significant help with their long-term vision of challenging at the top of the Premier League.

Brands arrived at Goodison Park last summer as the club's director of football but his role will now expand, seeing him in charge of Everton's entire football strategy from Academy to first team.

The appointment was confirmed at Everton's Annual General Meeting on Tuesday evening during a speech made by their chief executive Denise Barrett-Baxendale.

She said: "We were thrilled to appoint Marcel this summer and he is now responsible and accountable for delivering the long-term, holistic, football strategy and principles from Academy through to first-team.

"Marcel has begun his work delivering the club's long-term permanent football strategy, working closely with Academy director Joel Waldron and head of football strategy Richard Battle.

"It fills me with great pride to announce Marcel's appointment to the Everton board. This appointment further cements the importance and permanence of the position of Director of Football within our structure."

^ That's a longstanding board, promoting a DOF to the board, and later giving him a new contract while on that same board.

Since then we are told that Thelwell has been doing a root and branch overhaul of the areas of the club he is responsible for (still not complete). Part of that overhaul has been to implement a way of playing which is consistent across age groups at the club.

Not sure I agree with this.

The board took us to the brink, protests were quelled by sacking Brands who'd been given a new contract a few months before, promoting a legend to the board in Sharp and promises the board would mark their own homework.

All this 120 point plan nonsense is PR driven by the board.

"Look, look, we know our arse from our elbow"

The reality is they've been there for a long time, and they're failing the club. They've took us to the brink, and they'll take us to the Championship.

 

[davek]

I just want us to approach this differently

Benefit of the doubt for a moment...

Lampard was appointed before Thelwell last year, there was no implementation of any sort of overarching plan at DOF level at that point

Since then we are told that Thelwell has been doing a root and branch overhaul of the areas of the club he is responsible for (still not complete). Part of that overhaul has been to implement a way of playing which is consistent across age groups at the club.

Whoever comes in has to be consistent with that approach otherwise what's the point? I don't know exactly what style of football we are talking about, but what we 100% have to avoid is appointing a quick fix type manager - Dyche or even Moyes would probably not fit the approach above

By all means change the manager, but please be consistent in the approach or everything is for no reason at all

That DoF post has been the downfall of this club.

We never needed it and we should have been giving managers complete control on who came and left the club. The DoF model has led to enormous waste that has finally caught up with us. There would never have been this manager churn if they;d all had the say so on incomings and outgoings...apart from Koeman who was a complete duffer and did have effective control, but he's an outlier IMO.

 

[toffeeblue9]

Is this true mate?

Brands joined us, replacing a previous DOF in Walsh in 2018. Walsh, a chief scout at Leicester - was put in that position by our existing Everton board. A mistake.

This is from January 2019;

Everton hope the appointment of Marcel Brands to a boardroom role will provide significant help with their long-term vision of challenging at the top of the Premier League.

Brands arrived at Goodison Park last summer as the club's director of football but his role will now expand, seeing him in charge of Everton's entire football strategy from Academy to first team.

The appointment was confirmed at Everton's Annual General Meeting on Tuesday evening during a speech made by their chief executive Denise Barrett-Baxendale.

She said: "We were thrilled to appoint Marcel this summer and he is now responsible and accountable for delivering the long-term, holistic, football strategy and principles from Academy through to first-team.

"Marcel has begun his work delivering the club's long-term permanent football strategy, working closely with Academy director Joel Waldron and head of football strategy Richard Battle.

"It fills me with great pride to announce Marcel's appointment to the Everton board. This appointment further cements the importance and permanence of the position of Director of Football within our structure."

^ That's a longstanding board, promoting a DOF to the board, and later giving him a new contract while on that same board.



Not sure I agree with this.

The board took us to the brink, protests were quelled by sacking Brands who'd been given a new contract a few months before, promoting a legend to the board in Sharp and promises the board would mark their own homework.

All this 120 point plan nonsense is PR driven by the board.

"Look, look, we know our arse from our elbow"

The reality is they've been there for a long time, and they're failing the club. They've took us to the drink, and they'll take us to the Championship.

I wasn't really talking about the Brands bit there - we know he didn't do large parts of the job he was supposed to be doing, whether that's his fault or the board's is open to debate

I think it's unfair, but understandable, to lob Thelwell into the mix with the board and what came before.

 

[COYBL25]

We sacked allardyce for getting us 8th. The fans are rotten to the core. Makes 0 sense
Allardyce knows how to survive a relegation scrap Dyche does not.

We actually deserve to get relegated.
Pereira out , lampard in lol
Some of our fans are delusional and sick in the head

" Some of our fans "

Which club would that be then ?

 

[toffeeblue9]

That DoF post has been the downfall of this club.

We never needed it and we should have been giving managers complete control on who came and left the club. The DoF model has led to enormous waste that has finally caught up with us. There would never have been this manager churn if they;d all had the say so on incomings and outgoings...apart from Koeman who was a complete duffer and did have effective control, but he's an outlier IMO.

I completely disagree in principle, but in practice under this owner and board I don't think either model would have made any difference whatsoever becase at the end of the day Moshiri and his mates would have signed whatever players they wanted anyway