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Who should replace Frank Lampard?

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Saint Domingo said:
Dyche would be like Benitez. The fans would have him as long as he’s winning every game but the second he lost two in a row the moans would start. He’d have no long term future here unfortunately. The patience that we showed with Moyes to build back into the top half just isn’t in the fanbase any more.
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Moyes earned the one bad season he had. Benitez was having a shocking one straight off the bat.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Dyche would be like Benitez. The fans would have him as long as he’s winning every game but the second he lost two in a row the moans would start. He’d have no long term future here unfortunately. The patience that we showed with Moyes to build back into the top half just isn’t in the fanbase any more.
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Don't think we'd see anyone turned on as bad as Benitez again but get your point but we do seem to turn on them all sooner or later.

I'd put him at the same level as Koeman where his appointment split the fan base.
 
Saint Domingo said:
No I don’t think that’s the reason for us being terrible recently but when we got to the end of the Moyes period we had a lot of fans moaning about how we ‘only won 2-0 at home we don’t win by 4 or 5’ ‘we don’t win away at the top 4’ etc. Looking back now we’d obviously take routine home wins and European football in a second.

Since then though there’s been no appetite for any football that might in any way be perceived as ‘pragmatic’. There were people moaning about Carlo Ancelotti even when we were challenging the top 4 and winning at Anfield. Lots of people didn’t want José Mourinho as a manager. We basically got rid of Allardyce for a terrible style of football not based on results. People were moaning about Frank being more pragmatic last season and keeping us up.

I just think if Moshiri hands Dyche a 5 year contract and says he’s going to keep us up and rebuild some foundations, the patience of the collective Everton fan base would last until PL safety was mathematically certain then the whining about playing style would start.
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I agree to an extent but I think it's slightly more nuanced than that. I think people will accept pragmatic football if we're the plucky underdog, so if we're going to continue scratching round for loans etc and scrapping to stay up then it's fine. Ancelotti took over a side where we were supposedly gunning for the top 6 if not 4, and we spent a relatively big amount of money, so people didn't enjoy seeing them playing negatively for long stretches. There are also different types of pragmatic football. You can still be pragmatic while being on the front foot, battling and getting the ball forward early is arguably what most fans prefer at Goodison when things aren't going well, rather than watching the team passing it round aimlessly. The Goodison crowd never turned on Moyes, there were obviously grumblings about glass ceilings etc but the crowd as a whole stuck with him right up until he opened his mouth at his first United press conference.
 
Sometimes the obvious thing is the right thing to do... but that doesn't seem to be the Everton way.

At the moment we are not attractive in any way to higher profile managers and I am not even sure that we want or need a manager who is used to deal with a struggling club and under performing players.

Bielsa for me is too big a risk.

We know what we are getting with Dyche and in our present position I think he is the best choice.
Twelve months ago I was completely against his appointment but now I think it is cometh the hour cometh the man.

I have seen suggestions of foreign names that people would like to see appointed and I think that is sheer lunacy.

Bringing a complete stranger to the premiership into Everton just now would be a continuation of our stupidity over the last six or seven years imo.
 

davek said:
This is a secondary consideration now.

Whoever they get in will need good attacking players, players we dont have right now.

The urgency should be over transfers not managers.

We can sort out a manager during the period when we face Arsenal and Liverpool.

I hope this club are focussing on players not managers right now.
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No.
I'd get a new manager in asap to implement any football style possible and coach the existing players in the hope we survive relegated rather than trust our inept board members to identify and buy new players. The latter is just plain scary, they haven't got a clue. Do you really trust them to make signings?
 
The club simply does not learn.. we are in the same spot as we were last year.. they have no idea what to do and are panicking. Again they are ignoring completely ignoring the only person at the club with ANY football knowledge and instead going off this ridiculous notion of *must have PL experience* and not looking out side of England for a manager. AGAIN
 
davek said:
We were buying players with Benitez having half a foot out the door last January.

Regardless what Danjuma said to justify his treachery, players will sign for the cause that's there in front of them. With us it isn't rocket science. We need goal scorers. Both Dyche and Bielsa want a mobile target man. It's going to be one of those two and any incoming player will know their jobs wont be fundamentally that much different from what they're used to.
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What if the new manager doesn't want them?
 
derek duvall said:
What if the new manager doesn't want them?
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This is the problem with Everton a DOF is meant to buy players to fit a system and then a manager to also fit that system and then make it interchangeable but at Everton it’s appoint a DOF and then ignore them and get either a full on attacking coach or a full on defensive coach instead of getting a manager who fits the players you bought.. ie Brighton

We should compare ourselves to Brighton or Brentford but would either of them be going for our 2 choices?
 
ToffeeTim said:
Not sure there is any appointment that will make me confident of survival. We need to appoint someone who we believe has a realistic of bringing us straight back up, if the worst happens.
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Anyone who can organise a team will keep us up

Remember, its so close at the bottom, couple of results and we're right out of it

Keep the faith
 

blueblue said:
Sometimes the obvious thing is the right thing to do... but that doesn't seem to be the Everton way.

At the moment we are not attractive in any way to higher profile managers and I am not even sure that we want or need a manager who is used to deal with a struggling club and under performing players.

Bielsa for me is too big a risk.

We know what we are getting with Dyche and in our present position I think he is the best choice.
Twelve months ago I was completely against his appointment but now I think it is cometh the hour cometh the man.

I have seen suggestions of foreign names that people would like to see appointed and I think that is sheer lunacy.

Bringing a complete stranger to the premiership into Everton just now would be a continuation of our stupidity over the last six or seven years imo.
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Completely agree. Just look at those idiots bringing in Pep, Jose, Wenger, Klopp. We'll never win anything with a foreign manager. Complete madness!
 
derek duvall said:
No.
I'd get a new manager in asap to implement any football style possible and coach the existing players in the hope we survive relegated rather than trust our inept board members to identify and buy new players. The latter is just plain scary, they haven't got a clue. Do you really trust them to make signings?
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That's relegation.
 

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