Why aren't English clubs after American talent?

[TheBigIguana]

The US won't be producing footballers of top drawer quality consistently any time soon, because of the lack of emphasis on the sport as a whole. It's seen as a girls sport there, which is why their women's side is tremendous.

It's like how the UK aren't going to be producing NBA basketball players consistently, because it isn't a sport given any emphasis here.

Population size isn't a good argument either. There's no world class Chinese players, or Indian players, very few Russian players of any calibre over the years etc. etc.

What

 

[Tubey]

All of this, every word.

Will say one thing though - they have a crazy knack of producing decent-ish goalkeepers. Friedel, Howard, Keller and so on. Must be a crossover with arm based sport growing up.

You have literally zero idea what you're talking about. I understand that you only follow the Premier League but at least follow through my posts on here.

America has been consistently producing talent in the last 1-2 years. Mckennie has established himself as the best midfielder at Juve. Pulisic has been the only regular starter at Chelsea for Lampard. Adams has been playing regularly for Leipzig. Reyna has established himself as a top starter for Dortmund. Dest has been the best LB for Barca this season. Hoppe has proved to be the best young striker in the Bundesliga after Haaland. The point here is, the talent is immense and it's only been apparent in the last 1-2 years, as we see the results of the shift in culture of American soccer. German and Italian clubs are now recruiting American talent, more than other talent in the Americas, above Brazillian or Argentine.

Yes, it's me who has no idea what I'm talking about. Sure.

Well mate, all I can say is that if what you say is right, I look forward to the USA winning the next 10 World Cup in a row eh.

Do you honestly think you're the only deluded American we've had on here over the years? You're just the latest @pgheverton and a stone throw away from recommending we sign Trindon Holiday etc. We've seen it all before.

 

[Tubey]

What

Professionally. You don't even have a professional female baseball or football league do you? Vast majority of male athletes are siphoned off to NFL/NBA and baseball, whereas women's soccer is one of the first options professionally.

So, naturally, it's seen more in terms of being a women's sport.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Professionally. You don't even have a professional female baseball or football league do you? Vast majority of male athletes are siphoned off to NFL/NBA and baseball, whereas women's soccer is one of the first options professionally.

So, naturally, it's seen more in terms of being a women's sport.

I'm not sure that's how I'd interpret it but whatever. The US Women's team being great has nothing to do with the professional leagues.

 

[Jimishorts]

Yes, anyone over a certain age would remember Alexi Lalas...

To most of us he is the symbol of American football

 

[Tubey]

I'm not sure that's how I'd interpret it but whatever. The US Women's team being great has nothing to do with the professional leagues.

Of course it does. Second most popular sport for women, the college system has led to players like Rapinoe starting professionally in the USA (indeed, nearly all their 2019 WC winning squad progressed that way), and the popularity means it retains an audience so that it can thrive.

Whereas there's no professional female NFL, no inbuilt audience to sustain it, so it's a pointless sport to invest time in as a girl.

As for the talent drain to other sports, there's a clear gender divide. If you have a different take, by all means offer it like.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Of course it does. Second most popular sport for women, the college system has led to players like Rapinoe starting professionally in the USA (indeed, nearly all their 2019 WC winning squad progressed that way), and the popularity means it retains an audience so that it can thrive.

Whereas there's no professional female NFL, no inbuilt audience to sustain it, so it's a pointless sport to invest time in as a girl.

As for the talent drain to other sports, there's a clear gender divide. If you have a different take, by all means offer it like.

The US women have been good for the entirety of the Women's World Cup era. There has not been a professional league for the entirety of that same span of time. Title IX, imo, is the driving factor as unlike most countries it forced resources to be put towards Women's sports. Title IX has nothing to do with professionals.

The men's team struggling has more to do with not having proper training. This best athletes play other sports thing is nonsense. Aaron Donald would never be a footballer.

 

[Tubey]

The US women have been good for the entirety of the Women's World Cup era. There has not been a professional league for the entirety of that same span of time. Title IX, imo, is the driving factor as unlike most countries it forced resources to be put towards Women's sports. Title IX has nothing to do with professionals.

The men's team struggling has more to do with not having proper training. This best athletes play other sports thing is nonsense. Aaron Donald would never be a footballer.

Clearly isn't. We have the same situation here with cricketers and rugby players going for football. Seamus Coleman turning his back on Gaelic Football is another example.

You don't have the same level of training because of what I say; you don't have the same level of emphasis. Same as how we don't train kids in basketball "properly" over here.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Clearly isn't. We have the same situation here with cricketers and rugby players going for football. Seamus Coleman turning his back on Gaelic Football is another example.

You don't have the same level of training because of what I say; you don't have the same level of emphasis. Same as how we don't train kids in basketball "properly" over here.

LeBron James is 6'9 250 lbs. How many people with that type of body play football? It's irrelevant.

If the US creates academies that are competitive with those in Europe and South America then they'll be more competitive too. And that is happening to an extent which is really what Emir's point should be. Not that we're there. But we are getting better.

Now we are always going to have to ship players to Europe for them to become complete players because MLS stinks. But guys like McKennie and Adams are truly American products playing at a high level. That didn't happen even 5 years ago.

 

[Zatara]

You have literally zero idea what you're talking about. I understand that you only follow the Premier League but at least follow through my posts on here.

America has been consistently producing talent in the last 1-2 years. Mckennie has established himself as the best midfielder at Juve. Pulisic has been the only regular starter at Chelsea for Lampard. Adams has been playing regularly for Leipzig. Reyna has established himself as a top starter for Dortmund. Dest has been the best LB for Barca this season. Hoppe has proved to be the best young striker in the Bundesliga after Haaland. The point here is, the talent is immense and it's only been apparent in the last 1-2 years, as we see the results of the shift in culture of American soccer. German and Italian clubs are now recruiting American talent, more than other talent in the Americas, above Brazillian or Argentine.

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You have literally zero idea what you're talking about.

Poor @Tubey

Mckennie has established himself as the best midfielder at Juve

Rodrigo Bentacur sleeps with the fishes...


Dest has been the best LB for Barca this season.

He's a right back...

Hoppe has proved to be the best young striker in the Bundesliga after Haaland.

He's participated in 9 games including 528mins of league football.

Worse than dreadful in 6 of them, good in 3.


German and Italian clubs are now recruiting American talent, more than other talent in the Americas, above Brazillian or Argentine.

Where is the data to support this?

 

[mmmmsnouts]

I'm not sure that's how I'd interpret it but whatever. The US Women's team being great has nothing to do with the professional leagues.

Actually I think the women’s football league over here is in some trouble, because the European leagues pay so much better than the US league. I think eventually USWNT players will head to England and France where the money is and the NWSL might fold.