Why aren't English clubs after American talent?

[KaiserEFC]

Because we saw Jozy Altidore. You can close the thread now.

 

[mezzrow]

We're also crap at darts.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Pullisic was being spoken about as 'world class' last season...posters such as @TheBigIguana were saying how amazing he was -- hes not even as good as Lozano.

Hes just so overrated its bizarre...why? Hes American....was on the bench at his last club and will end up the same at chelsea.


How many starts does Hoppe have for Schalke? McKennie did stand out at Schalke but fair play to the Juventus scouts for seeing he could both adapt and step up to the league in italy + he wasnt just standing out in a poor team.


It must be nice and exciting to finally see a handful of players playing at big clubs but when you compare that to Brazil theres really no competition.

I think this is, as @Eggs Would say, a case of premature evaluation...

This might be hard for you to grasp but Pulisic is 3 full years younger than Lozano. He's still eligible for u23 teams. Lozano should be the finished product.

I'm really not trying to say that the US is going to be better than Brazil just that putting for example Reinier on a list to prove your point when he's not getting on the field over a player you're saying he's better than is patently ridiculous.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

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[mmmmsnouts]

Oooo all the bantz ladz are coming in now, even though the continental leagues and tons of qualifiers mean that England and the USA are basically never going to play again unless they get drawn in a tournament together

 

[Noble Savage]

I've been trying to remember those two U.S players who joined us due to their European passports .
I think Anton Peterlin played a few games in England after he left us but I have no idea what happened to Cody Arnoux .

 

[Zatara]

This might be hard for you to grasp but Pulisic is 3 full years younger than Lozano. He's still eligible for u23 teams. Lozano should be the finished product.

I'm really not trying to say that the US is going to be better than Brazil just that putting for example Reinier on a list to prove your point when he's not getting on the field over a player you're saying he's better than is patently ridiculous.

I paraphrase...

"US kids u22 are better than Brazilian kids the same age"

I wrote a list of the Brazilian kids u22...

Not sure how you then suddenly pick out one American kid and compare it to one Brazilian kid to prove a make believe point of view.

The list of Brazilians is overall far far far far far superior to what seems to be a handful of Americans.

That was the point made and so so so so so easily disproved.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I paraphrase...

"US kids u22 are better than Brazilian kids the same age"

I wrote a list of the Brazilian kids u22...

Not sure how you then suddenly pick out one American kid and compare it to one Brazilian kid to prove a make believe point of view.

The list of Brazilians is overall far far far far far superior to what seems to be a handful of Americans.

That was the point made and so so so so so easily disproved.

I didn't make that statement. All I'm saying is I can make a list of 10 Americans who are 22 or younger and likely as many names you'll never hear three years from now as the Brazilian list. Seriously go look at the Brazil squads from past youth world cups. From 2015 (the last time they qualified) the only one who became anything is Jesus. I don't know why Emir decided to go all crazy but the American development is nothing to sniff at considering they have limited development opportunities in their own domestic league.

Yes likely Brazil is going to produce better players still but it is actually something to look at now and for us Yanks that's actually really exciting considering it was only 3 years ago that we watched clowns like Omar Gonzalez and Bradley miss a World Cup against no competition. Let us have our fun.

 

[Zatara]

I didn't make that statement. All I'm saying is I can make a list of 10 Americans who are 22 or younger and likely as many names you'll never hear three years from now as the Brazilian list. Seriously go look at the Brazil squads from past youth world cups. From 2015 (the last time they qualified) the only one who became anything is Jesus. I don't know why Emir decided to go all crazy but the American development is nothing to sniff at considering they have limited development opportunities in their own domestic league.

Yes likely Brazil is going to produce better players still but it is actually something to look at now and for us Yanks that's actually really exciting considering it was only 3 years ago that we watched clowns like Omar Gonzalez and Bradley miss a World Cup against no competition. Let us have our fun.

Well thats (in bold) the opposite viewpoint to @emir 's post...so youre agreeing with me.

Well done.

 

[wm02]

Decent history of Americans playing in Germany. I think Bundesliga clubs see value in bringing in players from Poland, U.S. at a discount.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Well thats (in bold) the opposite viewpoint to @emir 's post...so youre agreeing with me.

Well done.

I'm not agreeing with your dismissive tone though which if you're being honest with yourself is what your post was more about than that simple fact.

 

[Zatara]

I'm not agreeing with your dismissive tone though which if you're being honest with yourself is what your post was more about than that simple fact.

The facts point towards Alexi Lalas, Tim Howard, Kasey Keller, Eric Wynalda, DaMarcus Beasley and Freddy Adu being the most well known American players...

You may be able to throw in Oguchi Onyewu and Brad Friedel as well...

Its not hard to dismiss an opinion as outlandish as, and I paraphrase "American u22 year olds are superior to Brazilian u22 year olds".

When the entire crux of that opinion is surrounding 4 players (pulisic / reyna / mckennie / dest) and the poster needs to add in a player whose played 450mins in the league for schalke and had 3 good matches.

Compare those main 4 with...Lodl, Rodrygo, Vinicius, Emerson...or perhaps you want to throw in Cunha, Martinelli, Luiz, Antony, Ibanez ?

Imagine if we extended the age by one year to 23...we could even add in, Richarlison, Neres, Jesus, Militao, Gabriel, Guimaraes, Paqueta, Malcom, Felipe....

I could go on...but to dismantle a comparison of USA u22 / u20 / u23 isnt hard.

Its also insulting to Brazil (or any non-americans reading this) to not be dismissive of such an opinion.

 

[TheBigIguana]

The facts point towards Alexi Lalas, Tim Howard, Kasey Keller, Eric Wynalda, DaMarcus Beasley and Freddy Adu being the most well known American players...

You may be able to throw in Oguchi Onyewu and Brad Friedel as well...

Its not hard to dismiss an opinion as outlandish as, and I paraphrase "American u22 year olds are superior to Brazilian u22 year olds".

When the entire crux of that opinion is surrounding 4 players (pulisic / reyna / mckennie / dest) and the poster needs to add in a player whose played 450mins in the league for schalke and had 3 good matches.

Compare those main 4 with...Lodl, Rodrygo, Vinicius, Emerson...or perhaps you want to throw in Cunha, Martinelli, Luiz, Antony, Ibanez ?

Imagine if we extended the age by one year to 23...we could even add in, Richarlison, Neres, Jesus, Militao, Gabriel, Guimaraes, Paqueta, Malcom, Felipe....

I could go on...but to dismantle a comparison of USA u22 / u20 / u23 isnt hard.

Its also insulting to Brazil (or any non-americans reading this) to not be dismissive of such an opinion.

Imagine thinking anyone is comparing the 90s develop of American youth to what is happening now.

We're done here. And you've once again produced a list of Brazilian players you think are good who really aren't just for good measue.

Alexi Lalas PMSL.

 

[Tubey]

The US won't be producing footballers of top drawer quality consistently any time soon, because of the lack of emphasis on the sport as a whole. It's seen as a girls sport there, which is why their women's side is tremendous.

It's like how the UK aren't going to be producing NBA basketball players consistently, because it isn't a sport given any emphasis here.

Population size isn't a good argument either. There's no world class Chinese players, or Indian players, very few Russian players of any calibre over the years etc. etc.

 

[Goat]

The US won't be producing footballers of top drawer quality consistently any time soon, because of the lack of emphasis on the sport as a whole. It's seen as a girls sport there, which is why their women's side is tremendous.

It's like how the UK aren't going to be producing NBA basketball players consistently, because it isn't a sport given any emphasis here.

Population size isn't a good argument either. There's no world class Chinese players, or Indian players, very few Russian players of any calibre over the years etc. etc.

All of this, every word.