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[Azzurri]

So someone's just hacked someone to bits with a machete in the middle of the street in broad daylight.

But it's them nasty EDL men who are the main problem here.

 

[Pat's Van]

Alright then mate. Let's just become an islamic state then. Would you enjoy that? Would that be ok because at the end of the day everything in history is based on foreign religion?

**** it let's just get sharia in and make our women where veils in summer.

that's poor

 

[micknick]

Please this is just Devils advocate, im just trying to see what people think

Imagine you live Pakistan, you have lived there since you was born, your parents left England for a better life.

England has a terrorist cell in it, lets say the IRA, and they are protecting a man who ordered a massive bombing in India killing 1000's,

So the Pakistan army along with other middle eastern armies are inside England trying to get rid of the IRA, but the Pakistan army are killing innocent people, torturing innocent men. stray bombs talking out streets of normal families. (or so you are being told by people in a little church you have all built) Imagine every time you go to this church, you are being told. the army have killed more people in England, what can we do here to stop it?

Maybe these guys have been fed so much bulls*it/or truth that they think its a worthy cause to revenge the attacks of there people.

Devils advocate or not, an off duty soldier being beheaded has absolutely no reason to it.

Lads play nice or it will be closed.

 

[EFC Si]

Not once have I said that all muslims think this way.

Jeez people just picking out the parts they wanna argue with really pisses me off, just go back and read what I've written ffs.

But these guys weren't motivated by the same Islam that is the religion of literally 99% of Muslims in this country, they have been brainswashed by completely seperate groups probably online. Therefore no matter what action was taken on immigration, or now matter how well muslims intergrated into our society, it would have had no bearing on what happened today. It's not related

 

[Brennan]

Alright then mate. Let's just become an islamic state then. Would you enjoy that? Would that be ok because at the end of the day everything in history is based on foreign religion?

**** it let's just get sharia in and make our women where veils in summer.

And now your argument has gone full circle. Well done.

We already live in a society which accepts and integrates people who are strongly religious. I fail to see why you are so insistent that Muslims cannot also integrate just as devout Christians have alongside homosexuals.

 

[roydo]

Indeed. By the same logic this country is founded on a 'foreign religion'.

Think thats right mate. Ironic really. Founded on an unproven, unproveable ideollogy. Sounds familier I guess.

 

[Del]

Ok Nik honest question mate

You are put in charge of the country

How do you go about solving this problem?

 

[Deleted member 28206]

I've nothing to add to this, other than RIP to the tragic death, and please don't feed the trolls that are obviously posting here.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Devils advocate or not, an off duty soldier being beheaded has absolutely no reason to it.

Lads play nice or it will be closed.

That isn't going to happen mate. I've read all 14 pages of this and I am genuinely shocked by some of the stuff I've read. This sort of thread always ends in chaos. I'm tapping out and moving on to other things

It's just going to be the Duffy thread all over again

 

[EFCNIK]

And now your argument has gone full circle. Well done.

We already live in a society which accepts and integrates people who are strongly religious. I fail to see why you are so insistent that Muslims cannot also integrate just as devout Christians have alongside homosexuals.

Because the evidence suggests they simply haven't!

They have no intention of intergrating. They form there own ghettos and for me it really is 50/50 whether or not they come into contact and take on board extremist beliefs. One of the major mosques in london was found to be preaching hate to thousands of them. God knows how much more is going on. The minority is growing simple as.

 

[Pat's Van]

But these guys weren't motivated by the same Islam that is the religion of literally 99% of Muslims in this country, they have been brainswashed by completely seperate groups probably online. Therefore no matter what action was taken on immigration, or now matter how well muslims intergrated into our society, it would have had no bearing on what happened today. It's not related

exactly, they have been "RADICALISED"

that's the issue, that's why there are (other) terror attacks, not because of one of the oldest religions known to man

but because of extremism

 

[roydo]

Alright then mate. Let's just become an islamic state then. Would you enjoy that? Would that be ok because at the end of the day everything in history is based on foreign religion?

**** it let's just get sharia in and make our women where veils in summer.

Nope. Just think the basics of any religion are pretty much the same. It is the lunatic fringe on any that cause this backlash, be them ETA, IRA, those barbarians today.

 

[Kurt.]

I've nothing to add to this, other than RIP to the tragic death, and please don't feed the trolls that are obviously posting here.

Second this....a man has been hacked to death in the street today.... it's fookin sick in anybodys faith or language .....some should think about this before posting some of the crap i've read on here.

RIP.

 

[EFCNIK]

Ok Nik honest question mate

You are put in charge of the country

How do you go about solving this problem?

Never said I had a solution. I'll whinge all I want about what people are doing wrong but I'm not a politican so I wouldn't know how to solve it.

As honest an answer as I can give.

 

[bignev23]

Nah. I'd just call him a home grown idiot.

But as I say his kind of ideology is growing due to stuff like this.

Stuff like this is happening because of the liberal agenda of past governments.



Far left breeds far right. Its really that simple. Both are just as dangerous as eachother imo.

Who knows why they have chosen to do it but I would doubt it is because past governments have been to liberal infact if anything taking a hard line approach often makes things worse i would say. It could be because we have been at war with Islamic countries for the past 11 years, I don't recall any terrorist attacks by Muslims before these wars were started.