Woolwich

[EFC Si]

Yeah they are, know someone who lives about 200 metres away from where the man was killed and she's saying there's loads of people around there with St George flags.

Bunch of utter tools. Tubey's nailed it on the head though; they're nothing more than two insane criminals using Islam as an excuse for violence.

 

[Azzurri]

That's not actually what he's doing at all, he's saying that those people do not represent Muslims as a whole. Just like how David Copeland doesn't represent how nationalists feel as a whole about people who aren't white and born in Britain.

Don't think anyone's saying they do represent Muslims as a whole, though. Anyone sane anyway.

 

[Azzurri]

Bunch of utter tools. Tubey's nailed it on the head though; they're nothing more than two insane criminals using Islam as an excuse for violence.

Why would they, though?

It's not as if the courts are going to say 'oh, in the name of Islam? Sound, you can go free'.

 

[Julian Carax]

Everytime something like this happens people are so quick to recycle the same tired rhetoric they've rehearsed over and over again.

Someone has been killed, give it a rest.

 

[Del]

That's not actually what he's doing at all, he's saying that those people do not represent Muslims as a whole. Just like how David Copeland doesn't represent how nationalists feel as a whole about people who aren't white and born in Britain.

I am not bothered about representing all Muslims as a whole, Religion from top to bottom is bull

Theres a % of muslims in this country who need to be rooted out, I agree that these two today are prob odd balls but the fact is someone somewhere has put these ideas in there heads and sent them out there to commit crimes in the name of god

 

[Brennan]

Don't think anyone's saying they do represent Muslims as a whole, though. Anyone sane anyway.

Go back and read the comments from people saying this proves that multiculturalism is failing. That in itself implies that Islam as a whole can't possibly function within British society, which is obviously total crap. As i've already said i've got loads of Muslim friends with various levels of belief who get on just fine within society.

 

[Brennan]

I am not bothered about representing all Muslims as a whole, Religion from top to bottom is bull

Theres a % of muslims in this country who need to be rooted out, I agree that these two today are prob odd balls but the fact is someone somewhere has put these ideas in there heads and sent them out there to commit crimes in the name of god

Agreed mate, i despise religion but the vast majority of Muslims are sound and i don't like that this event is being used by some as a weapon to attack multiculturalism.

 

[The-Golden-Vision]

Go back and read the comments from people saying this proves that multiculturalism is failing. That in itself implies that Islam as a whole can't possibly function within British society, which is obviously total crap. As i've already said i've got loads of Muslim friends with various levels of belief who get on just fine within society.

Where were these comments?

 

[Del]

Go back and read the comments from people saying this proves that multiculturalism is failing. That in itself implies that Islam as a whole can't possibly function within British society, which is obviously total crap. As i've already said i've got loads of Muslim friends with various levels of belief who get on just fine within society.

So because you know a few lads who are Muslim its not failing

How do you know theres not a massive % of Muslims who are the opposite of the lads you know?

 

[Tubey]

Do those people carry out bombings on public transport Tubey?

Like bombing buses,Subways,Driving cars into airports etc?

Stop trying to make out that Muslim extremists are not a problem in this country and around the world

Dale Cregan used grenades and firearms to kill two cops and a father and son. He was a white non-Muslim Englishman.

Raoul Moat went on an extended rampage, shooting people dead and blinding a police officer with a point blank shot to the face. He was a white non-Muslim Englishman.

Derrick Byrd was a cab driver who took a shotgun and went on a rampage, murdering anything that took his fancy. He was a white non-Muslim Englishman.

For every one instance of Islamic extremism that you see today, I could spend twenty minutes and find fifty instances of berserk violence from a white, non-Muslim Englishman.

You're making the mistake of tying an entire religion to very rare acts of violence from criminals and calling it a problem. It's religious delusion and you can find examples of Christians doing the same thing - look up Nicola Edgington this year alone. Stabbed her mum to death due to religious delusion.

 

[Brennan]

So because you know a few lads who are Muslim its not failing

How do you know theres not a massive % of Muslims who are the opposite of the lads you know?

I didn't say that, and it's more than a few.

 

[Brennan]

Where were these comments?

From Nik and Bluenose. Just search 'multiculturalism' in the search thing or look for Nik's posts in here.

 

[Del]

Dale Cregan used grenades and firearms to kill two cops and a father and son. He was a white non-Muslim Englishman.

Raoul Moat went on an extended rampage, shooting people dead and blinding a police officer with a point blank shot to the face. He was a white non-Muslim Englishman.

Derrick Byrd was a cab driver who took a shotgun and went on a rampage, murdering anything that took his fancy. He was a white non-Muslim Englishman.

For every one instance of Islamic extremism that you see today, I could spend twenty minutes and find fifty instances of berserk violence from a white, non-Muslim Englishman.

You're making the mistake of tying an entire religion to very rare acts of violence from criminals and calling it a problem. It's religious delusion and you can find examples of Christians doing the same thing - look up Nicola Edgington this year alone. Stabbed her mum to death due to religious delusion.

Honestly are you saying there is not a problem in this country with Muslim extremists? Just a yes or no

 

[Del]

I didn't say that, and it's more than a few.

The point is you have no idea what % of Muslims in this country feel hatred towards our way of living

 

[Furey1878]

Why would they, though?

It's not as if the courts are going to say 'oh, in the name of Islam? Sound, you can go free'.

Obviously these people are nutjobs mate, and they use Islamic teachings to justify their violence. They're not bothered about being caught, as shown by that ITV clip.