Would things drastically change if Benitez left tomorrow?

[Billy Dean]

I do, and I wish Benitez no personal ills, but this is not the place for his "rehabilitation". He was never going to be cut any slack at all from the fanbase, why should we cut him any slack? As @MikeH72 and others have said, this is a Moshiri problem. Benitez was a stupid appointment but why wouldn't Benitez take a seven (or eight if you believe some reports) figure salary on his doorstep? Worst case scenario, he gets millions of pounds in a payout after getting sacked. He was unemployed and his last job was in the Chinese league and he's in his 60s. Of course he was going to take the job. Moshiri should have never offered him the job. Poster after poster stated at the time that Benitez arrived that the first bad run of results would see Goodison turn toxic. Against Watford his subs were booed and the fans were calling for Rondon, an Everton player, to be sent off. At Wolves last night there were reports of Everton fans doing the FSW chants. Would any of this be happening after a quarter of the season with any other manager in charge? Of course not. Stupid appointment by a stupid owner.

The FSW moniker is proper cringe.

 

[windymiller]

The fans are to blame if they can't give him the time or support they offer any other appointment.

If he doesn't succeed I'll happily boo him out but I'm not going to vilify someone who has been here 5 minutes and set up to fail with no budget to set up his own squad.

Nah, not having that. The fans reaction was entirely predictable (it was predicted over and over on here). The fans are the only good thing left at Everton (no matter what @ForeverBlue92 says) they sell out Goodison and the away allocations for every game despite being forced to watch utter garbage for years. The board is rotten, the players are cowards, the manager is out of his depth and the owner is a fool. The only person who set Benitez up to fail is Moshiri. He was never going to get time from the fans, Moshiri was the only one who couldn't see it.

 

[Cameron Manning]

I can see that point, but my worry is that Benitez becomes a bit of a lightening rod for fan frustration. I've said before part of me wonders if the board wanted that buffer.

Its a bit chicken or egg, but until the executive/strategic leads and plan are in place we end up with bad managerial appointments and / or utterly hamstring them.

That's not to particularly defend Benitez BTW. Just more my lack of trust in this board.

Do you think Benitez trusts this board, I think he is putting his trust in Moshiri and Usmanov, they are not on the board but own the club one way or another, I think they should protect their investment by getting rid of Kenwright and his cronies on the board and on the coaching staff.

 

[Yarrgh]

I just hope we pick up enough points and get some fundamentals in place that we are safely looking at next season with a decent base to build on and are attractive enough to bring in better players.

I can't see how that would happen if he went. Maybe he can do that but it won't be fun viewing even if it happens.

Koff Everton.

 

[windymiller]

The FSW moniker is proper cringe.

It is, but if you put a legendary figure from your biggest, and most hated, rivals in charge of your club all of the barbs from years gone by weren't just going to evaporate, were they? Particularly when we are utterly awful.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Do you think Benitez trusts this board, I think he is putting his trust in Moshiri and Usmanov, they are not on the board but own the club one way or another, I think they should protect their investment by getting rid of Kenwright and his cronies on the board and on the coaching staff.

Board / owners / hierarchy. Same stuff to me.

Collective failure here.

 

[bullybeef]

I’m pretty certain it’s the lazy arse players.

Stealing a living most of them.

 

[Cameron Manning]

Nah, not having that. The fans reaction was entirely predictable (it was predicted over and over on here). The fans are the only good thing left at Everton (no matter what @ForeverBlue92 says) they sell out Goodison and the away allocations for every game despite being forced to watch utter garbage for years. The board is rotten, the players are cowards, the manager is out of his depth and the owner is a fool. The only person who set Benitez up to fail is Moshiri. He was never going to get time from the fans, Moshiri was the only one who couldn't see it.

Yes the reaction of the fans, some of them, was predicted, doesn’t make it or them right, injuries have played a big part in the last three results and no manager could do any better with three or four main players missing, even though Benitez has made some mistakes including last night at Wolves but not as many as some of clueless players.

 

[Bob Elstone]

It’s not the manager it’s the overpriced players and brands inability to built even an average squad that isn’t totally deficit in key areas.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

The fans are to blame for the appointment of a deeply unpopular manager? That's a new one.

The only reason some are supporting the manager is they don't want to change again. It's hardly a positive argument. It's an argument based on fear of the future and a false sense of stability.

No one can honestly believe this will work out. There is zero evidence that will happen. The division at the club is horrible, and only a change can help that.

I thought it could work out because although I never liked him due to his rs connections I think he is a good manager with the work ethic and attitude to root out the lazy players from the squad.

Bottom line, a lot of people wouldn't give him a chance and it wasn't based on his managerial performance. That is your division.

 

[toffee-L]

His pay off, barely six months into his 3 year deal, would be absolutely astronomical and an expense that a club who couldn't even scrape £2m together last summer can't afford.

He never should have been appointed because of how divisive it was, but what manager in their right mind would want to join us now and work with a clown like Marcel Brands and not able to spend any money with probably an acceptance that one of DCL or Richarlison will be off next summer?

I think we're in a long term struggle and we might be a club that has to accept it's lot as a bottom half regular whose primary ambition is to avoid relegation until we're in the new stadium.

 

[windymiller]

Yes the reaction of the fans, some of them, was predicted, doesn’t make it or them right, injuries have played a big part in the last three results and no manager could do any better with three or four main players missing, even though Benitez has made some mistakes including last night at Wolves but not as many as some of clueless players.

I'm fed up of this assertion that no one else could do any better. How do we know that? Some of the football under Ancelotti was dreadful but he kept picking up points and ended up with 59 points with an almost identical squad. Do you or anybody else harbour any realistic expectations of getting that many points this season? I don't, I'm just praying we get to 40.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Nah, not having that. The fans reaction was entirely predictable (it was predicted over and over on here). The fans are the only good thing left at Everton (no matter what @ForeverBlue92 says) they sell out Goodison and the away allocations for every game despite being forced to watch utter garbage for years. The board is rotten, the players are cowards, the manager is out of his depth and the owner is a fool. The only person who set Benitez up to fail is Moshiri. He was never going to get time from the fans, Moshiri was the only one who couldn't see it.

If he's not going to get time from the fans then it's not the fans fault?

Highly illogical.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I thought it could work out because although I never liked him due to his rs connections I think he is a good manager with the work ethic and attitude to root out the lazy players from the squad.

Bottom line, a lot of people wouldn't give him a chance and it wasn't based on his managerial performance. That is your division.

It might be but it was absolutely inevitable. We've all seen enough football to know how it works. Anybody who thought there wouldn't be division and disillusionment due to the appointment, is quite honestly not in the real world. None of that goes away without a change of manager, and that's an undeniable fact.

Blaming the fans for something totally inevitable and obvious to everyone, is a pretty bizarre take. Be like the reds appointing Moyes and then everyone being baffled why fans are unhappy.

I personally think he's an outdated manager who failed at Newcastle and can't organise a defense properly. We've been shambolic at the back in recent weeks. Where is the organisation??

 

[windymiller]

If he's not going to get time from the fans then it's not the fans fault?

Highly illogical.

He's not getting time because of who he is, Moshiri knew that and appointed him anyway.

Blame the fans all you like but this is Moshiri's millstone to wear.

If the fans abandon this club, a club that has lost close to £300m in the past three years, then there is no more Everton. Moshiri isn't Everton, the players aren't Everton, Benitez will never be Everton. Hell, even Goodison Park isn't Everton. Everton is the community of fans that support the club through the generations.

You can call that illogical if you like, you can call it emotional but let me ask you this - if we were creatures of pure reason why on earth would we support and care about Everton at all?