Would things drastically change if Benitez left tomorrow?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

It was both for me, I've openly said that throughout. Not that he managed them, more the fact that meant he would get no time and the club would be split into factions. Rodgers for example would have been a great appointment and didn't carry the baggage despite managing them.

The only people valuing sentimentality over success are those backing the manager in spite of the issues, because we will not have success with this level of division at the club. You can't seriously think this is an envirionment which will lead to success. Those who want change are those looking out for the long term interests of the club IMO. This isn't my club at the minute.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Personally I feel the lack of forgiveness to afford someone a fair chance to achieve at their role has disconnected me to large portions of the fan base.

That's not on Moshiri or Benitez or Brands or Kenwright.

That's on my expectations of how people should act in conflict with the reality.

I'm disappointed because it didn't measure up to my morals but that's my issue to deal with, people have the freedom to feel what they like.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Yeah and if it was the Benitez of 12-15 years ago he’d do a job, now though we’ve got the washed up dinosaur that has no place in modern football

He's closer to Allardyce than Ancelotti. In fact if I had to compare him to any of our previous managers, it would be Allardyce.

 

[JLW]

Ok, tried to stay away from anything Benitez related but here goes.

I had, I reiterate had, no bad feeling the man to be honest, did I want him as the manager NO, do I still want him as the manager NO. I blame the board, the club, Kenwright, Brands, DBB, and Moshiri for even entertaining the idea.

Now, I simmered down a little when I seen he was able to make positive changes, even when we lost players we started picking up points. However his decisions, set up and selections in the last few games has been absolutely terrible, started with West Ham, then Watford was a joke anyone watching from mars could see the problems and when he took Gordon off our one dangerous player, it was done for me. It was the fact he was cocky about it after basically saying after the match "well Richarlison scored so I was right I don't care if people weren't happy" - If he took that absolute lump Rondon off for Richarlison, we could have won that game.

My Step dad who's a RS told me get used to it he makes crazy decisions. I CBA with it. Is there bigger issues at our club then Benitez? yes... is he part of that at the moment absolute.

I don't think things would change drastically if he left, the players are still there and this was what I dreaded when Ancelotti went - another clean slate for the players.

The club is ran like a comedy act from top to bottom, they need to stop and rethink the entire thing because its going to end in tears.

SO Benitez, not the problem - but he isn't the right man or going to be part of the solution. His decisions in recent games should show that.

This 100%

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

It was both for me, I've openly said that throughout. Not that he managed them, more the fact that meant he would get no time and the club would be split into factions. Rodgers for example would have been a great appointment and didn't carry the baggage despite managing them.

The only people valuing sentimentality over success are those backing the manager in spite of the issues, because we will not have success with this level of division at the club. You can't seriously think this is an envirionment which will lead to success. Those who want change are those looking out for the long term interests of the club IMO. This isn't my club at the minute.

I think what I was getting at with the thread 'is sacking the manager the silver bullet?'

Some issues it might resolve. Others patently not. As you pointed out in one of your earlier posts, who appointed Benitez is a huge factor here. I do feel rather nihilistic about the club. What horrible appointments will be made next? What shocking player recruitment strategy?

 

[ToffeeTim]

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Personally I feel the lack of forgiveness to afford someone a fair chance to achieve at their role has disconnected me to large portions of the fan base.

That's not on Moshiri or Benitez or Brands or Kenwright.

That's on my expectations of how people should act in conflict with the reality.

I'm disappointed because it didn't measure up to my morals but that's my issue to deal with, people have the freedom to feel what they like.

In fairness I also listed lots of footballing issues I had, but you dismissed those.

The idea he managed them years ago isn't the only factor at all. It's not as important as you are suggesting I've found. He hasn't had success in English football in about 15 years and had a relegation in his last job when he got outperformed by a big Sam Sunderland side. He had gone to China, which is always a concern. I tend to think people go there when they no longer believe they are good enough for the highest level.

The appointment is absolutely on Moshiri and the board though. He owns the club and he makes the final decision. I do not believe he is naive enough to fail to realise that there are so many reservations that this would lead to division and a situation that makes failure seem pretty inevitable.

People have given the manager a chance by and large, but losing under this manager is humiliating to lots of people. I can take banter fine because there are not many blues here where I am and I have plenty of years of experience, but I got like 3 different agent Rafael messages (or to that effect) after the game last night.

Are fans really wrong to feel disillusioned and embarassed by this whole situation? People are tired of us being rubbish and the embarasment of being the joke constantly. The owner let the fans down in my opinion, and his football decision making has been lacking to say the least.

 

[Cameron Manning]

I'm fed up of this assertion that no one else could do any better. How do we know that? Some of the football under Ancelotti was dreadful but he kept picking up points and ended up with 59 points with an almost identical squad. Do you or anybody else harbour any realistic expectations of getting that many points this season? I don't, I'm just praying we get to 40.

Well answer your own query, name someone who will do a better job. I do agree with you that we will struggle until January when three or four players will come in to strengthen the squad, but surely you agree that injuries have played a big part in the poor results of the last three games.

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

Arguing for Benitez to go now on purely footballing grounds is dumb.

I can forgive it of those that never wanted him, and want any excuse to see him gone, because at least that's a consistent argument - even if I don't agree.

But thinking this on-pitch malaise is his fault is just wrong. Throwing another manager in the shredder and expecting better of the next schmuck we can convince to come is not the answer. We need to sort this squad out.

I'd like to give you more than 1 like for that post. Bravo.

 

[Jacob]

At least we wouldn't have to put up with the sniggering RS saying well done Rafael every time we lose. Soon as I go out this morning one of the merchandise wearing knobs is coming towards me.

Laugh back at them. They're eejits.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

I wonder if he is starting to lose the players. I think the arguments between them yesterday were about what they had been asked to do and what they realised they had to do.

And they don't like being told what to do as many of them actually believe their own hype.

 

[DanEFC92]

And they don't like being told what to do as many of them actually believe their own hype.

Seen Godfrey moan at Pickford for shouting at him a few times.

 

[AdamEFC]

Probably not, club needs a complete clear out from top to bottom, absolutely rotten to the core. Forget jobs for the boys, get some actual competent football/business people in.

I don’t like Benitez, never wanted him but the issues that were there last season for all to see still haven’t been addressed is a proficient way. Just lashing another couple of mil at a new manager won’t change the fact that Coleman spends half the time running at his own goal and half the squad lacking a brain.

 

[Drico]

Not overnight - of course this is a long process

But the process can't start until we appoint a new manager and the division and animosity begin to heal.

The division and animosity will never heal. It is here to stay. Plenty here have seen how some managers are just not given a fair crack and do not like what they have witnessed. Why would those people just row in behind the latest flavour of the month replacement proposed by the congenitally disgruntled?

Someone described Evertonians as a "family" recently. If we are, we are utterly dysfunctional. Viva Hate!

 

[Taifi gorm]

All the money wasted paying off managers would of been better spent sacking some of the pathetic players and backroom staff let them argue in a labour court that continually zero returns amounts to doing their job. Let the squad, fans and football community know the club is serious.
FIFA, UEFA, league governing bodies want clubs to behave as businesses then fine all employees at every level of the organisation should be held to account. It's a fight players could never win.
Never happen but it should.

 

[The Binman]

Until the clubs changes from top to bottom, no.

the club is an absolute mess, introduced massive amounts of money, having had many years without any, and did so without a clear, decisive plan, and have made the team so much worse. We’re awful to watch fully fit or not.

It doesn’t matter whether Benitez is the manager or literally anyone else, nothing is going to change, we are going one way, that is spiralling downward.
I have a real fear we are heading towards relegation, teams have already figured out how he plays with these players, despite the injury list, which really hasn’t helped at all. We have a team full of really limited players none of whom would get into the big 4-6 clubs. Not one.

i feel we are sleepwalking towards the bottom 6, with or without Benitez. Unless serious money, and proper players who want to play for us are bought, and are bought for a position. And dear lord can we stop relying on geriatric right backs!? Who are clearly not good enough or waaaay past it.

we are an absolute embarrassment, to the point of being a laughing stock.

 

[ToffeeTim]

The division and animosity will never heal. It is here to stay. Plenty here have seen how some managers are just not given a fair crack and do not like what they have witnessed. Why would those people just row in behind the latest flavour of the month replacement proposed by the congenitally disgruntled?

Someone described Evertonians as a "family" recently. If we are, we are utterly dysfunctional. Viva Hate!

It will heal very quickly I reckon. There are some happy to give the manager a chance, probably out of a sense of duty or because they are naturally inclined to back the club in any circumstances. But there were so few who actively wanted him that I don't think there will be any lingering annoyance.