Would things drastically change if Benitez left tomorrow?

[Diogenes the Cynic]

It might be but it was absolutely inevitable. We've all seen enough football to know how it works. Anybody who thought there wouldn't be division and disillusionment due to the appointment, is quite honestly not in the real world. None of that goes away without a change of manager, and that's an undeniable fact.

Blaming the fans for something totally inevitable and obvious to everyone, is a pretty bizarre take. Be like the reds appointing Moyes and then everyone being baffled why fans are unhappy.

I personally think he's an outdated manager who failed at Newcastle and can't organise a defense properly. We've been shambolic at the back in recent weeks. Where is the organisation??

Well your last paragraph is for me relevant for discussion and it is something that concerns me also. However in mitigation due to injuries and lack of time spent in the role I would like to see more games before evaluating his suitability for the role.

I didn't see it being inevitable that he wouldn't be accepted if he could do the role. I expected more from the fans personally but it seems a large portion of people don't have the capacity to overcome personal prejudice or see the bigger picture which saddens me.

 

[JLW]

Its only going to end in tears and everyone knows it, its not a matter of IF but WHEN it happens.
Do we need another short term manager to bring in say 3 more players his players in the summer only to be booted out by Christmas next year at the latest.
Does anyone seriously think Benitez will be successful here? The best he will do is the usual 7th-10th and that's with his own players, nothing in his recent managerial career suggests otherwise.

 

[Thetigerblue]

Nope, this is dreadful

Nope. Allardyce sides not managing a shot in 90 mins. That was dreadful.

 

[R.Reddington]

Let’s be truthful, nothing would change.

The same cowards would be on that pitch week in week out letting us fans down.

Marcel Brands would still be at the club doing f all.

We need a complete overhaul within the club, let’s just stick with the manager. If we get into a relegation scrap, maybe we need to reevaluate the situation, but for now let’s just stick by him.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Well your last paragraph is for me relevant for discussion and it is something that concerns me also. However in mitigation due to injuries and lack of time spent in the role I would like to see more games before evaluating his suitability for the role.

I didn't see it being inevitable that he wouldn't be accepted if he could do the role. I expected more from the fans personally but it seems a large portion of people don't have the capacity to overcome personal prejudice or see the bigger picture which saddens me.

You can't appoint someone and be shocked when the predictable happens. This was absolutely inevitable, and it's nothing unique to Everton. It would happen at any club in world football.

The bigger picture was the need for the club to remain unified and working towards a common goal. The owner's choice of manager ensured that wouldn't happen, whether you agree with people's feelings or not.

There are lots of little things annoying me too.

For one, the remark about Gordon not being fit for 90 minutes to justify sticking with Rondon. No need for that to be aired publicly and the lad needs more chances.

The bizarre summer pursuit of Rondon who is clearly not fit enough to play at this level anymore.

The stubborness in refusing to accept there are big issues at set pieces. He blamed it on not having tall players last night - like what is that about.

The failure to adapt the midfield system without Doucoure.

The general lack of responsibility when we lose. There are far too many excuses. That's not how it works if you want credit when results are good.

The passive style of play where we sit off and concede territory and possession.

This current team aren't Everton and don't resemble anything like what I think Everton should be. I can't watch them anymore because it's so miserable. No one is free from criticism. The issues go top to bottom at the club.

 

[windymiller]

Nope. Allardyce sides not managing a shot in 90 mins. That was dreadful.

Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree on which of the various awful periods are the worst but wouldn't it be nice to talk about some good football for a change? We can't do that until Benitez (and probably Moshiri) is gone.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

You can't appoint someone and be shocked when the predictable happens. This was absolutely inevitable, and it's nothing unique to Everton. It would happen at any club in world football.

The bigger picture was the need for the club to remain unified and working towards a common goal. The owner's choice of manager ensured that wouldn't happen, whether you agree with people's feelings or not.

There are lots of little things annoying me too.

For one, the remark about Gordon not being fit for 90 minutes to justify sticking with Rondon. No need for that to be aired publicly and the lad needs more chances.

The bizarre summer pursuit of Rondon who is clearly not fit enough to play at this level anymore.

The stubborness in refusing to accept there are big issues at set pieces. He blamed it on not having tall players last night - like what is that about.

The failure to adapt the midfield system without Doucoure.

The general lack of responsibility when we lose. There are far too many excuses. That's not how it works if you want credit when results are good.

The passive style of play where we sit off and concede territory and possession.

This current team aren't Everton and don't resemble anything like what I think Everton should be. I can't watch them anymore because it's so miserable. No one is free from criticism. The issues go top to bottom at the club.

There were just as much if not more wrong with Ancelotti's performance last season with none of the vitriol aimed at him.

Don't wrap it up in football reasons if the reason you dont want him is because he managed the rs. That's the true driving factor for fans wanting him out, own it and accept you value sentimentality over wanting success.

 

[jazzy]

In the short term big Dunc as caretaker would organise and motivated this lot better.

After a few weeks this bunch of losers would revert to type.

 

[whiteshadow]

Nope he is being persecuted because of his ability, he’s shown nothing that points to him being the right man for the job

He's got a better CV than all our managers for the last 30+ years bar Ancelotti, who only finished 10th.

Chatting absolute wham.

 

[whiteshadow]

no, so he should be sacked immedietly.

Grow up.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Ok, tried to stay away from anything Benitez related but here goes.

I had, I reiterate had, no bad feeling the man to be honest, did I want him as the manager NO, do I still want him as the manager NO. I blame the board, the club, Kenwright, Brands, DBB, and Moshiri for even entertaining the idea.

Now, I simmered down a little when I seen he was able to make positive changes, even when we lost players we started picking up points. However his decisions, set up and selections in the last few games has been absolutely terrible, started with West Ham, then Watford was a joke anyone watching from mars could see the problems and when he took Gordon off our one dangerous player, it was done for me. It was the fact he was cocky about it after basically saying after the match "well Richarlison scored so I was right I don't care if people weren't happy" - If he took that absolute lump Rondon off for Richarlison, we could have won that game.

My Step dad who's a RS told me get used to it he makes crazy decisions. I CBA with it. Is there bigger issues at our club then Benitez? yes... is he part of that at the moment absolute.

I don't think things would change drastically if he left, the players are still there and this was what I dreaded when Ancelotti went - another clean slate for the players.

The club is ran like a comedy act from top to bottom, they need to stop and rethink the entire thing because its going to end in tears.

SO Benitez, not the problem - but he isn't the right man or going to be part of the solution. His decisions in recent games should show that.

 

[ToffeeTim]

There were just as much if not more wrong with Ancelotti's performance last season with none of the vitriol aimed at him.

Don't wrap it up in football reasons if the reason you dont want him is because he managed the rs. That's the true driving factor for fans wanting him out, own it and accept you value sentimentality over wanting success.

It was both for me, I've openly said that throughout. Not that he managed them, more the fact that meant he would get no time and the club would be split into factions. Rodgers for example would have been a great appointment and didn't carry the baggage despite managing them.

The only people valuing sentimentality over success are those backing the manager in spite of the issues, because we will not have success with this level of division at the club. You can't seriously think this is an envirionment which will lead to success. Those who want change are those looking out for the long term interests of the club IMO. This isn't my club at the minute.

 

[Legend78]

Do people think if Benitez was sacked tomorrow all this fighting and arguing amongst the fanbase would end... it would be as bad as ever as the new manager would find himself working with same players and restrictions and the difference would be the Benitez haters now would be trying to justify the new appointment while the current Benitez backers would be moaning that the new manager has not improved things and Benitez should of stayed.. full circle really but same conflict...

 

[sageyefc]

He's got a better CV than all our managers for the last 30+ years bar Ancelotti, who only finished 10th.

Chatting absolute wham.

Yeah and if it was the Benitez of 12-15 years ago he’d do a job, now though we’ve got the washed up dinosaur that has no place in modern football

 

[Kev The Rat]

Let’s be truthful, nothing would change.

The same cowards would be on that pitch week in week out letting us fans down.

Marcel Brands would still be at the club doing f all.

We need a complete overhaul within the club, let’s just stick with the manager. If we get into a relegation scrap, maybe we need to reevaluate the situation, but for now let’s just stick by him.

so fire him in 6 weeks then yeah?