chippy1722
Player Valuation: £35m
The fact that Everton Football Club we’re taking a manager off Wigan, never mind a relegated Wigan shows how much bad things were. Silva shows that tines have not changed much.
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roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Remember posting in the 0 3 FA Cup match thread that he has had a pretty good job interview.
Like most, was suckered in season 1, hindsight eh? Then when I saw the actual real, live evidence on the pitch in a rare trip to GP, (Spurs home, last game, season 2) from the Top Balcony, blimey.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
People's heads spinning off because they cant handle the truth that they were had off by Moshiri. That's at the heart of the venom directed toward RM. He left, as you wished, and then the promises of Mourinho and Galacticos never turned up, and instead of dealing with your own naivety you doubled down on the Martinez insults.
I saw what happened to the esk from some: another case of people not accepting their own responsibility for being duped by the carpetbagger.
There's always a scapegoat it seems.
A little bit of honesty wouldn't go amiss.
I saw what happened to the esk from some: another case of people not accepting their own responsibility for being duped by the carpetbagger.
There's always a scapegoat it seems.
A little bit of honesty wouldn't go amiss.
Barry Rathbone
Player Valuation: £2.5m
this makes no sense to me at all.
He was given money to buy Lukaku which at that time was a decent sized fee.
If you want to talk about managers over achieving without money, then look no further than Moyes, who Martinez was fortunate enough to inherit a decent side from, before he turned it into the mess which followed for 2 seasons afterwards.
Anybody else amused by daves new narrative and new found focus on this Moshiri / Martinez thing he’s trying to create? It’s as bad as this Voldemort thing and Silva from that other guy. lol
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
There's always a bit of a lack of nuance from people generally. You know I'm not as critical as you of Moshiri but i'd have to say that his entrance to the club sparked a massive downturn from the players. For me I think it would have been made known Martinez was gone. I'm pretty sure his first game, we defeated double winning Chelsea 2-0.
Now it was far from perfect under Martinez. The 18 months before were up and down. There was also a naivety at times to how we played and I do think in England if you neglect set pieces as much as he did you are always going to put under pressure. However that run of performances earlier that season- Bournemouth, Norwich, Sunderland, Aston Villa, West Brom, Southampton all in quick succession was as well as we had played in many a season. We absolutely battered teams and found a way to lose games.
There's no doubt by the end Martinez had to go as it was just out of control, but to me Moshiri's arrival triggered performances which were naive but with lots of positives into chaos.
I also think, overall he might privately regret not getting behind Martinez for a bit and steadying the ship.
It's funny really, but even though we've spent substantial sums, we've not moved massively on from the point total Martinez got in his two poor seasons, and got nowhere near as far in the cups.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
If Martinez had the warchest Koeman and Silva have had it'd have been a different outcome.
Moshiri pandered to the mob and the rest is history. His time here has sickened me and left the feeling there's no hope left. Under Kenwright we at least had the sense that once we got shut of him and real money came in then we could progress. But he's come in and sold our most marketable players and handed the tv revenue increase to make a substantial warchest that stands comparison with the elite in the last three seasons...and we're still nowhere near being competitive...in fact, we're less than competitive than when we had no money.
I'd actually place Moshiri above Koeman in any hierarchy of villains of the piece in the last 3 years. BTW, that view will be common currency once this cruel stadium hoax is finally binned.
Barry Rathbone
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Surely that's the point - he could only buy one player of that ilk whereas the group he was trying to challenge could and would buy numerous
Moyes had 11 years and never got the points total Martinez achieved in one season. If he maintained the Moyes model he was just going to prolong the mediocrity subsequently confirmed by the brothers in dourness, Koeman and Allardyce, later proved. Martinez gamble of reinventing the wheel to break the spell of mediocrity was massively courageous but required innovation and a huge amount of luck if he lacked the money of his target peers.
He produced by promoting players Moyes didn't trust worked the oracle in the loan market and cleverly signed Barry.
It must be remembered the Moyes "decent side" never come close to winning a bean suffering trouncings from Arsenal and others often being unceremoniously dispatched from the cups by lower standing clubs. His method produced an assembly of proven mid table fodder over 10yrs and when he left for Utd were showing signs of running out of gas.
If Martinez erred it was thinking the Moyes crew could morph into winners although personally I think he knew his hands were tied as most of our dough was destined for Rom. He needed the 400m we've spent after that first season
oh dear Lord is this another parody account?
The “Moyes decent sides” which lost on a penalty shootout to Fiorentina in the last 16, or lost in the cup final to Chelsea, or the one that finished 4th, or the ones that finished 5th or 6th a few times, all on a shoestring?
Martinez’s idea of good shoestring players were Atsu, Kone, Alcaraz, McGeady.....whereas Moyes idea of good cheap players were Peinaar, Arteta, Coleman, Distin, Howard etc etc
you either only started following Everton in Martinez’s first season or Dave has created another account to annoy people.
what an absolute pile of unadulterated 5hite you just wrote.
As for the heavy beatings, try casting your mind back to the 4-0 Anfield drubbings under Martinez, when they had about 80 attempts on our goal, or the Sunderland doing the double over us glory, or the regular national embarrassment we were witnessing just before he got sacked.
Moyes spent 13m over 11 years, he got 4th and a cup final.
Martinez spent 60m over 3 years, he got 5th and a Semi.
Its not even close to a contest.
Martinez spent 60m over 3 years, he got 5th and a Semi.
Its not even close to a contest.
have I been reeled in? Please tell me it’a one of those hilarious parody accounts?
Nar, some people think 72 points is quite the achievement, lets be honest, that first season was the stuff of legends, but at the end of the day we finished 5th and the next 2 seasons he utterly crapped the bed.
But some people cant look past that first season.
No other Everton manager will be allowed to fail for as long as Martinez was.
I really liked him as well when he first came in, full of enthusiasm and very positive.
By the end though he was a ghost of his former self and had clearly lost the respect of the players who had seemingly stopped trying.
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