Would you take Martinez back?

[davek]

They were Dave.

Established for about 5 seasons.

Each season that went by Whelan funded them less and less. What a surprise that they eventually fell through the trapdoor!

They still have the FA Cup to remember though. No one can take that off them.

 

[MikeH72]

Established for about 5 seasons.

Each season that went by Whelan funded them less and less. What a surprise that they eventually fell through the trapdoor!

They still have the FA Cup to remember though. No one can take that off them.

They were never funded on the same level as the rest of the Premier League. Bruce and Jewell were shopping in the bargain basement for players, in fact Wigan’s record signing at the time was Mauro Boselli, a Martinez buy.

 

[davek]

They were never funded on the same level as the rest of the Premier League. Bruce and Jewell were shopping in the bargain basement for players, in fact Wigan’s record signing at the time was Mauro Boselli, a Martinez buy.

It's ridiculous to pretend that Wigan were better funded under Martinez.

Under Martinez Wigan had a negative net spend of -£12M.

Under Bruce and Jewell they had a net spent of £14M.

THAT's the nub of the matter.

For Roberto to put up with spending restarints his two immediate predecessors never had to and still win them a trophy just underlines how well he did for them.

 

[MikeH72]

It's ridiculous to pretend that Wigan were better funded under Martinez.

Under Martinez Wigan had a negative net spend of -£12M.

Under Bruce and Jewell they had a net spent of £14M.

THAT's the nub of the matter.

For Roberto to put up with spending restarints his two immediate predecessors never had to and still win them a trophy just underlines how well he did for them.

Please show your working out. Those figures do not look right at all.

 

[davek]

Please show your working out. Those figures do not look right at all.

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Roberto joined them in the 2009/10 season and left after the 2012/13 season.

 

[MikeH72]

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Roberto joined them in the 2009/10 season and left after the 2012/13 season.

Martinez had the luxury of selling Antonio Valencia and Charles N’Zogbia for a combined fee of £25m. Next.

 

[Barry Rathbone]

They were never funded on the same level as the rest of the Premier League. Bruce and Jewell were shopping in the bargain basement for players, in fact Wigan’s record signing at the time was Mauro Boselli, a Martinez buy.

Remember a contributor on a Wigan forum saying it was common knowledge that Whelan had told Martinez the cheque book was shutting when he appointed him and selling top players to reduce the wage bill was a priority. If true preventing relegation for so long was little short of sensational and winning the FA cup along the way was a miracle.

Bobby was the right man at the wrong time for this club

 

[davek]

Martinez had the luxury of selling Antonio Valencia and Charles N’Zogbia for a combined fee of £25m. Next.

Sorry, is that you moving the goalposts?

Martinez faced the cutback period Whelan embarked on, while Bruce and Jewell were able to operate from financial stability....and RM still handed them their biggest ever trophy.

 

[MikeH72]

Remember a contributor on a Wigan forum saying it was common knowledge that Whelan had told Martinez the cheque book was shutting when he appointed him and selling top players to reduce the wage bill was a priority. If true preventing relegation for so long was little short of sensational and winning the FA cup along the way was a miracle.

Bobby was the right man at the wrong time for this club

What cheque book?

 

[Thomasc]

The Wigan FA Cup was like Kenya winning the World Cup. So what they got relegated? The comparison with us and Royle winning the cup and then being relegated is ill-fitting. Everton are an established top flight club; Wigan weren't.

He did more than ok with Swansea. And his time at Belgium has been a magnificent success story. 128 goals in 42 games - 3 games lost.

they were until he turned up.

don’t be using Belgium beating the likes of Azerbaijan as a yardstick, unless you are willing to do the same and heap praise on the likes of Gareth Southgate as well.

your obsession with trying to elevate the career of Roberto Martinez is a really weird obsession to say the absolute very least.

 

[Thomasc]

Remember a contributor on a Wigan forum saying it was common knowledge that Whelan had told Martinez the cheque book was shutting when he appointed him and selling top players to reduce the wage bill was a priority. If true preventing relegation for so long was little short of sensational and winning the FA cup along the way was a miracle.

Bobby was the right man at the wrong time for this club

his win record in the last 2 seasons here makes this last sentence absolutely and pathetically laughablelol

 

[toffee-L]

The Wigan FA Cup was like Kenya winning the World Cup. So what they got relegated? The comparison with us and Royle winning the cup and then being relegated is ill-fitting. Everton are an established top flight club; Wigan weren't.

He did more than ok with Swansea. And his time at Belgium has been a magnificent success story. 128 goals in 42 games - 3 games lost.

This is amusing, in the not too distant past such heavyweights as Alan Pardew managed West Ham and Crystal Palace, Tony Pulis managed Stoke City, Tim Sherwood managed Aston Villa, Steve Bruce managed Hull City, Avram Grant managed Portsmouth (who finished bottom of the Premier League), and Championship sides Millwall and Cardiff have all reached FA Cup finals.

Although none of those sides took the final step and lifted the cup, the fact that so many teams in the last 15 years or so - whose odds of winning the competition were as wide (or even wider) than Wigans' - have reached the final proves that winning it is not like Kenya winning the world Cup - as you claim. Not even close.

Alan Pardew's two sides for example took the lead in both games, he could quite easily be sat at home with 2 FA Cup winners medals and absolutely nobody would have a different opinion on whether he was a good manager. Perhaps he would have won both finals had he been playing against a 10 - man Manchester City whose squad knew that the manager was getting canned regardless of the result...

Martinez, across 3 seasons, was not a good Everton manager. The positives he achieved in his first season are easily undone by the miserable lows of the following two. No Evertonian wanted Martinez gone because of anything Moshiri had done, we wanted him gone because he had failed. End of story.

 

[Thomasc]

This is amusing, in the not too distant past such heavyweights as Alan Pardew managed West Ham and Crystal Palace, Tony Pulis managed Stoke City, Tim Sherwood managed Aston Villa, Steve Bruce managed Hull City, Avram Grant managed Portsmouth (who finished bottom of the Premier League), and Championship sides Millwall and Cardiff have all reached FA Cup finals.

Although none of those sides took the final step and lifted the cup, the fact that so many teams in the last 15 years or so - whose odds of winning the competition were as wide (or even wider) than Wigans' - have reached the final proves that winning it is not like Kenya winning the world Cup - as you claim. Not even close.

Alan Pardew's two sides for example took the lead in both games, he could quite easily be sat at home with 2 FA Cup winners medals and absolutely nobody would have a different opinion on whether he was a good manager. Perhaps he would have won both finals had he been playing against a 10 - man Manchester City whose squad knew that the manager was getting canned regardless of the result...

Martinez, across 3 seasons, was not a good Everton manager. The positives he achieved in his first season are easily undone by the miserable lows of the following two. No Evertonian wanted Martinez gone because of anything Moshiri had done, we wanted him gone because he had failed. End of story.

marvellous post, take a bow son.

 

[BernieH]

 

[Big Sams Little Pecker]

This is amusing, in the not too distant past such heavyweights as Alan Pardew managed West Ham and Crystal Palace, Tony Pulis managed Stoke City, Tim Sherwood managed Aston Villa, Steve Bruce managed Hull City, Avram Grant managed Portsmouth (who finished bottom of the Premier League), and Championship sides Millwall and Cardiff have all reached FA Cup finals.

Although none of those sides took the final step and lifted the cup, the fact that so many teams in the last 15 years or so - whose odds of winning the competition were as wide (or even wider) than Wigans' - have reached the final proves that winning it is not like Kenya winning the world Cup - as you claim. Not even close.

Alan Pardew's two sides for example took the lead in both games, he could quite easily be sat at home with 2 FA Cup winners medals and absolutely nobody would have a different opinion on whether he was a good manager. Perhaps he would have won both finals had he been playing against a 10 - man Manchester City whose squad knew that the manager was getting canned regardless of the result...

Martinez, across 3 seasons, was not a good Everton manager. The positives he achieved in his first season are easily undone by the miserable lows of the following two. No Evertonian wanted Martinez gone because of anything Moshiri had done, we wanted him gone because he had failed. End of story.

Spot on.

No doubt there's some absolute tripe inbound in response.