2018/19 Yerry Mina

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He's the lynchpin of the 5th best defense in the league this season

Not strictly true, Newcastle are only joint 6th in terms of league goals conceded. Liverpool, City Spurs, Chelsea, Wolves all have conceded fewer.

Lascelles is a good player (not a top six player) and Newcastle have a very good defence, but that is largely due to Benitez' set up.

They have conceded the same number of goals as Leicester, Watford and Crystal Palace.

Not many people lauding the performances of Cathcart, Maguire and Sakho this season.

 

[Lelouch]

I like this lad, Think he's a good ball playing CB (Apart from City), Slotted in against Chelsea and looked calm as. Always said he should start alongside Keane simply for the fact that we own these players and they need to farm a quick partnership.

 

[blulouie]

He may have all the qualitys of a top defender but it's all for nought if he hasn't got it where it counts, in his head. How many times this season has the opposition striker just wandered away from him and got a chance on goal. How many times has he just had a blank moment when a set piece is coming in and it's cost us.

I looked at him when we played Lincoln. All they had was a yard dog up front who every time he tried to bring the ball down it bounced about a mile away from him. All that striker wanted to do was get into a wrestling match and get fouls and that's all zouma did. Instead of using his brain and taking a step back letting the striker try to bring it down and then cut in. He just gave away foul after foul after foul trying to win a test of strength with him.

If I'm honest I think keans been our best defender, although I think mina will be our best defender. People just can't get over how poor he was last year and thats clouding their judgement.

Point of order on the Lincoln game.
Myself & my lad have played a fair chunk playing centre half's so its a position we take note of more than others.
In that game Mina was the player constantly battling with the centre forward in open play.
Granted the player took up position in Zouma's zone for any set piece's basically leaving Mina guarding his empty zone.
Apart from the Lincoln goal they both coped with the player.
Mina gives a needless push on their player for the free kick that led to their goal.
At that time my lad said " you know whats coming here"....hence EVERY player switching off from the free kick.
IMO Zouma spends more time covering for Ten Bob head and the ill disciplined Mina as the last ditch defender , he isnt the overiding defencive problem you seem to think he is.

 

[Bluewolf]

but mate keane should control that ball, any half decent player controls that ball not a single problem, zouma shouldn't need to move out of position to follow vardy around there because keane is an absolute donkey

in theory if zouma did follow vardy and then say someone from leicesters midfield ran into the space left by zouma following vardy and he found the ball and slotted you would still blame zouma

My point is Keane was a fluke of a mistake that hardly ever happens but zouma has shown he does this time and time again. That goal was walcotts and keanes mistake but zouma isn't blameless for me.

No then it would obviously be the midfields fault for whoever was marking that player would of let him go wouldn't they?

 

[Parker]

My point is Keane was a fluke of a mistake that hardly ever happens but zouma has shown he does this time and time again. That goal was walcotts and keanes mistake but zouma isn't blameless for me.

No then it would obviously be the midfields fault for whoever was marking that player would of let him go wouldn't they?

You are genuinely mad to even think Zouma has any kind of blame for that Vardy goal. It was Walcott's inability to head the ball forward followed by Keane's inability to control a ball. Then it was just a straight race for the ball that Vardy isn't going to lose. Zouma makes mistakes like all of our players do, because they are all rubbish, but this is absolutely nothing to do with Zouma. You've used a dead weird example to showcase Zouma's defensive ability.

 

[evertonarntwe]

My point is Keane was a fluke of a mistake that hardly ever happens but zouma has shown he does this time and time again. That goal was walcotts and keanes mistake but zouma isn't blameless for me.

No then it would obviously be the midfields fault for whoever was marking that player would of let him go wouldn't they?

well zouma is blameless because it's keane fault

 

[MikeH72]

My point is Keane was a fluke of a mistake that hardly ever happens but zouma has shown he does this time and time again. That goal was walcotts and keanes mistake but zouma isn't blameless for me.

No then it would obviously be the midfields fault for whoever was marking that player would of let him go wouldn't they?

You could’ve picked so many other goals to be fair mate.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Oh my god use your brain! How many times has kean misscontrolled the ball and it's lead to a goal? Not that many.

How many times has zouma let his man go because he's day dreaming and it's cost us a goal?

Keans was a mistake anyone can make those. Zoumas is a constant in his lack of defensive intelligence and that's the point it's not wheather this instance was the one that cost us a goal it that this part of his game costs us goals In general.

Look at the goal against city he gets so caught up ball watching he totally looses his man and doesn't even end up jumping for the ball.

Mate, there is no need for the patronising/passive aggressive response.

You are the one who tried to argue that Keane is superior to Zouma and illustrated your point with an example in which Keane made the biggest blunder of anyone.

Btw his name is Keane, not Kean.

 

[BigBlueConk]

To be honest lads, these players (Zouma, Mina, Keane) are gap fills.
We were desperate to replace Jags and Williams.
Good enough for mid-table perhaps.
None of them are the answer if we have serious ambitions.

 

[Lelouch]

To be honest lads, these players (Zouma, Mina, Keane) are gap fills.
We were desperate to replace Jags and Williams.
Good enough for mid-table perhaps.
None of them are the answer if we have serious ambitions.

How are people writing Mina off after like what 3 games?

 

[Papa Shango]

Not strictly true, Newcastle are only joint 6th in terms of league goals conceded. Liverpool, City Spurs, Chelsea, Wolves all have conceded fewer.

Lascelles is a good player (not a top six player) and Newcastle have a very good defence, but that is largely due to Benitez' set up.

They have conceded the same number of goals as Leicester, Watford and Crystal Palace.

Not many people lauding the performances of Cathcart, Maguire and Sakho this season.

Cathcart was excellent against us.

I like Lascelles a lot but he would not be without risk if we were to go for him. That's kind of the market we are in right now though, good young players who may or may not be able to take the step up to the next level.

 

[Papa Shango]

To be honest lads, these players (Zouma, Mina, Keane) are gap fills.
We were desperate to replace Jags and Williams.
Good enough for mid-table perhaps.
None of them are the answer if we have serious ambitions.

Are we really giving up on Mina already after about 5 full games?

 

[Groucho]

Are we really giving up on Mina already after about 5 full games?

We need to see him have a run of games

 

[blulouie]

Cathcart was excellent against us.

I like Lascelles a lot but he would not be without risk if we were to go for him. That's kind of the market we are in right now though, good young players who may or may not be able to take the step up to the next level.

Cathcart and many other centre halves look excellent against our centre forwards.

Hell I'd look pretty good up against Tosun & DCL.

 

[Goat]

Are we really giving up on Mina already after about 5 full games?

I gave up on him at Millwall.

Utter coward.