Lob
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Yes i know. Everton existed before Ancelotti though as did DCL and Ancelotti still remains the only Manager ever to get a good season out of him which is the point i was making.
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ToffeeScot
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Every single manager in the league wants their team to be the fittest. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a buffoon. The only things that throws a spanner in the works for them are injuries, knocks, and the fact that some players are just naturally fitter than others. C Ronaldo vs Rooney or Scholes for instance.
He was clearly talking about the players who aren't at full fitness yesterday, yet some idiots are taking it as him saying none of our players meet his fitness requirements just yet. With some crying out that pre-season was 4 months ago
As for the pedants getting angry about his use of the term Prem fit. Well, it just means fit enough to start matches in the premier league. That's not even up for debate. It's pretty self explanatory. It's not a new concept, but if people want to get angry about nothing, I'll not be bringing it up again.
Also seen people getting angry about the term Dyche fit. Saying he's gone from saying 'Dyche fit' to 'prem fit' . Has Dyche ever actually muttered the term 'Dyche fit' or is this just another example of the sheep getting angry over nothing again?
I had the luck to be involved in some elite teams and laterally in preparing elite teams in the last few years in different sports, with nothing like the resources available at PL teams. I learned an awful lot from sports scientists, strength and conditioning experts.
In a general sense the management team set the goal - usually this is when you want to peak fitness - its usually linked to an outcome - it might be to start the season well and taper off it might be to get Xmas or it might be to peak heading down the straight. What happens then is you design a programme based on load, there will be periods of heavy training over a period of time and because of that teams will look unfit but really its building loads. As time passes depending on when you want to peak, you taper off, maintain and focus more on recovery and management.
Why do they do it, because its almost impossible to maintain peak fitness over the length of a season, if you do you risk injury and the like. Its like preparing for a marathon, you slowly build up stamina and fitness to hit a goal, maintain, do the marathon, then recover and taper. If you were to keep peak fitness and perform at it all the time you very quickly get injured, thus the importance of recovery and managing load. Its like going hard from three months in the gym taking two weeks off to recover - you will never feel so good and feel so fit and full of energy.
It looks to me we are still in that heavy set of building a load, i dont think we're close to full peak fitness, i expect us to taper off toward the middle and end of this month and will maintain and mange from there - i think the hope is we will be fitter from March onward coming down the straight.
There are viable in this injury - disputes this - if you are out for a period of time you have to go on an individual training programme and rebuild the load and conditioning, to fit back into the fitness level of the team. Hes actually the perfect example of not being "PL fit" and the impact it can have on a team.
You also have to judge individual cases - take JT - i dont think his issue at the moment is form - i think his issue is hes not fit - he looks to me like someone who isn't training much and is compensating in games and is behind the play - this is leading to bookings & penalties given against etc. Hes clearly not "PL fit" and is compensating.
Then you look at someone like Young - you can predict now his form is going to go of a cliff in December, because at 39 you cant maintain fitness at his age and go Weds and Sat, there just isnt the recovery time his body needs.
Then your looking at injuries - take Doucoure, im pretty sure hes going to pick up an injury sometime Dec/Jan - why because he runs 10-12 miles a game, with contact, overstretching and foot manoeuvring in football - its a reaching certainty. What we will have are metrics of how and how many miles triggered his last injury.
Its also why i think Dwight will play or be on the bench Saturday, his is a contact injury rather being not fit - so he will just have analgesia and get through the game unless there is a borderline risk of a long term damage.
You could go on and its fascinating stuff, i learned a lot from sports science guys and strength conditioning experts. Its far more nuanced then many people think and its advancing all the time.
Lob
Player Valuation: £50m
No it isn't. A point was made saying that Dyche had a point about the PL fitness thing and he definitely does not. There is no such thing as PL Fit. You are either match fit or you are not. He has been match fit plenty of times before Benitez nearly killed him, the Ancelotti era being the best because he was fit and also scoring lots of goals.
what? I made a point that Dyche had got him back to full fitness where other managers had failed. You then corrected me with a stat that had no relation to the point I made.
I would also say there is a PL fit. Not sure the levels of fitness required at L1, L2 for example are the same. But not even sure that was the point he was making, it was just a choice of wording that people seem to be losing their minds over as the latest thing to hate Dyche about.
Regardless of if you are a fan of Dyche or not. I’m fairly confident he knows more about the fitness requirements of PL footballer than 99.9% of posters on this forum.
Something that you saw last season with Newcastle under Howe
When you look around the league its actually interesting to see the different strategies to it mate.
I expect Forest to fade, i think they front loaded their fitness.
Also the bigger clubs can manage it better with bigger squads so they can manage the load and recovery easier - you always see City blow everyone one away from March onward.
Its really interesting to track our form last season, i think we tapered off our fitness load mid November, from there results really picked up from then until Xmas, Xmas destroyed us until in March, we simply didn't have the squad numbers to go fron Weds - Sat over 6 weeks and recover and we didn't recover holistically until March until we got a break. We were far fitter coming down the stretch then almost all out opponents. Even Arsenal in the last game it was telling. That was purposeful, i think we thought wed be involved in a relegation battle right up to the wire - so that was our goal, peak fitness for that.
Lob
Player Valuation: £50m
Nothing do do with being a fan of Dyche or not. There is no such as thing as PL fit. It has been created by Dyche as an excuse for why none of this players were 'match' fit even for the first game of the season. They could barely do 45 minutes due to his terrible coaching during pre season so he has created new terms of fitness to dodge and justify it. That is the top and bottom of it. Some of them are still not fully match fit now. Maybe he should have played some PL teams in Pre-Season to try and get them PL match fit before the season started.
I’d refer you to @Neiler post above on fitness strategies.Nothing do do with being a fan of Dyche or not. There is no such as thing as PL fit. It has been created by Dyche as an excuse for why none of this players were 'match' fit even for the first game of the season. They could barely do 45 minutes due to his terrible coaching during pre season so he has created new terms of fitness to dodge and justify it. That is the top and bottom of it. Some of them are still not fully match fit now. Maybe he should have played some PL teams in Pre-Season to try and get them PL match fit before the season started.
But again, I don’t think Dyche has made anything up but instead used a term PL fit for what we commonly refer to as match fit.
That said, I would also say there is a huge different between being able to physically last 90 minutes and being sharp and ready for a high level football game.
Nothing do do with being a fan of Dyche or not. There is no such as thing as PL fit. It has been created by Dyche as an excuse for why none of this players were 'match' fit even for the first game of the season. They could barely do 45 minutes due to his terrible coaching during pre season so he has created new terms of fitness to dodge and justify it. That is the top and bottom of it. Some of them are still not fully match fit now. Maybe he should have played some PL teams in Pre-Season to try and get them PL match fit before the season started.
Believe the club didn't have the money to do a big Preseason tour at the time, cash flow was an issue, Ireland was the comprise.
Definitely. Dyche has traditionally always had his teams hit peak fitness for the final leg of the season.
I think he’s also took a bit of a gamble this year once he’s looked at the fixture list. He’s expecting us to need a higher level of fitness around December when we play the better sides. They move the ball quicker and we will be doing a lot more more work despite sitting deep.
Nymzee
Player Valuation: £150m
Good job all the other PL teams are in this country then isn't it...
Maybe. But even then we played against garbage teams and still gave them the advantage and were generally horrible. I wouldn't want to watch a championship/Prem team absolutely snot us everywhere, friendly or not, and it was bound to happen the way we went about with it.Maybe he should have played some PL teams in Pre-Season to try and get them PL match fit before the season started.
Without really knowing mate, that's what i suspect and its what it looks like to me, i think its also designed for the Xmas period - that's a key for me, we dont have a bigger squad, but we have more live squad options then last season if that makes sense. We were horrid over Xmas and to March - im looking at him to learn what went wrong in that peirod last year and learn and give it a better rattle, then last year with a deeper squad.
A real thing to keep an eye on is our mid December - March form. There are margins to be gained there on last season in my opinion.
Lob
Player Valuation: £50m
There are 19 other PL teams in this country that are only a coach ride away.
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