Ronald Koeman discussion

ianefc · January 14, 2017

MACCA75 said:
Why didn't you think it was a disapointing window?

Because I honestly felt we had improved the starting xi in 4 positions.

To this day I don't think another club in the league did that.

MACCA75 · January 14, 2017

ianefc said:
Because I honestly felt we had improved the starting xi in 4 positions.

To this day I don't think another club in the league did that.

Man Utd?

A wet sponge would have been an upgrade on Howard. The improvement at centre half and on the wing was negligible.

kenada_blue · January 14, 2017

ianefc said:
I never said immensely. My point is clear, most people on this very forum were somewhere between dissatisfied to angry on the Summers transfer window (I wasn't but accept I was in the minority) yet with Martinez' squad and a 'disappointing' window he has bettered our last 20 league games by 9 points in his first 20 league games.

And I agree with you especially as I'm in the even small minority in saying Koeman would get us 7th with Martinez's squad at the start of the season (go hit the vaults)

kenada_blue · January 14, 2017

Mikeonlythebestwilldo said:
So what did West Brom do today then ? Back to their normal ways I've heard

Struggle against a top side away from home...like we do (see Chelsea)

ianefc · January 14, 2017

MACCA75 said:
Man Utd?

A wet sponge would have been an upgrade on Howard. The improvement at centre half and on the wing was negligible.

Fair point on UTD. I like Williams and our leading assister.

ianefc · January 14, 2017

kenada_blue said:
And I agree with you especially as I'm in the even small minority in saying Koeman would get us 7th with Martinez's squad at the start of the season (go hit the vaults)

So what has this all been about?

Mikeonlythebestwilldo · January 14, 2017

kenada_blue said:
Struggle against a top side away from home...like we do (see Chelsea)

Yeah fair enough I'd forgot about that don't blame me do ya haha

roydo · January 14, 2017

My 2p.

I feel comfortable that we have a competent manager. One who has his flaws, (who hasnt), but the laser like dissection of his every word to either prove or disprove a stance is not for me.

Said it from day one, he is a difficult bloke to warm to, but I am pretty relaxed with a bloke like him coaching, and managing EFC. The fact that Moshiri agrees with me by lobbing a few bob around, I also like.

If he upsets a few players? Meh. Grow up. It means the ones he plays knows he wants them to play. That makes a winning team.

Mikeonlythebestwilldo · January 14, 2017

roydo said:
My 2p.

I feel comfortable that we have a competent manager. One who has his flaws, (who hasnt), but the laser like dissection of his every word to either prove or disprove a stance is not for me.

Said it from day one, he is a difficult bloke to warm to, but I am pretty relaxed with a bloke like him coaching, and managing EFC. The fact that Moshiri agrees with me by lobbing a few bob around, I also like.

If he upsets a few players? Meh. Grow up. It means the ones he plays knows he wants them to play. That makes a winning team.

Barkley has seem to take the criticism on board don't he

roydo · January 14, 2017

Mikeonlythebestwilldo said:
Barkley has seem to take the criticism on board don't he

Small steps, but it seems so.

Not football, but in sales for years, I loathed/coasted when a manager didnt give me a verbal every now and then. When the dust settles, and he still trusts you with a key role, you dont half want to prove him right.

ianefc · January 14, 2017

roydo said:
My 2p.

I feel comfortable that we have a competent manager. One who has his flaws, (who hasnt), but the laser like dissection of his every word to either prove or disprove a stance is not for me.

Said it from day one, he is a difficult bloke to warm to, but I am pretty relaxed with a bloke like him coaching, and managing EFC. The fact that Moshiri agrees with me by lobbing a few bob around, I also like.

If he upsets a few players? Meh. Grow up. It means the ones he plays knows he wants them to play. That makes a winning team.

Exactly. It's the weakest of weak arguments to criticise him for (potentially) upsetting the players. If they were or are playing to the standard he expects he wouldn't criticise them? His rule is, perform to a level befitting our great club and fine, but fail him and Evertonians then expect a tounge lashing. I like that about him, despite being neutral on him.

Lowste · January 14, 2017

ianefc said:
Yeah ok. Because finishing above Spurs and UTD is the same to Everton as finishing above the clubs you mention.[/QUOTE
The point is we finished 5thbecause we deserved it, we finished 11 th because we deserved it. Don't decry a finish that was well deserved, sounds very bitter and childish

kenada_blue · January 14, 2017

ianefc said:
So what has this all been about?

Purely based on the points tally to games comment

ianefc · January 14, 2017

@Lowste please don't tell me what to do. Please don't call me childish.

It wasn't so long ago, that all you used to say to was that I wanted Everton to lose.

davek · January 14, 2017

roydo said:
My 2p.

I feel comfortable that we have a competent manager. One who has his flaws, (who hasnt), but the laser like dissection of his every word to either prove or disprove a stance is not for me.

Said it from day one, he is a difficult bloke to warm to, but I am pretty relaxed with a bloke like him coaching, and managing EFC. The fact that Moshiri agrees with me by lobbing a few bob around, I also like.

If he upsets a few players? Meh. Grow up. It means the ones he plays knows he wants them to play. That makes a winning team.

Trouble is it's a squad game. Everywhere this fellers been he's caused disquiet amongst his players over his time and attitude.

Maybe that's why his 17 year managerial career has been undistinguished?