2021/22 Frank Lampard

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As @SLAVEN BILIC pointed oot:

Benitez’s PL record: 19 games, 19pts, 5 wins, 4 draws and 10 losses. PPG: 1

Lampard’s PL record: 18 games, 20pts, 6 wins, 2 draws and 9 losses. PPG: 1.1

You accuse Benitez of being the worst manager of all time and Lampard our saviour when they have similar records here.

Next season is the acid test - you can't blame the previous manager any more if Fronk doesn't push us on.
That fat Spanish warthog inherited a side that finished the season before with 59pts. Sold our most creative players available in James & Digne.

The situation Frank walked into was unimaginable to him. It’s an absolute credit to him, how he’s united the fan base, and drawn points from games not many of us would have suggested he could do.

Benetiz wasn’t just the wrong manager because of his previous ties. Primarily he was the wrong manager because he’s out dated by approx 15 years.

With Frank we have a young progressive manager who will make mistakes but at least is current in thier approach. Perfect manager? No, but when do they walk through the door? However there’s a lot to like about Frank.
 
I’m not knocking anything Lampard has done here. I think he’s been great. But Carlo left us in the lurch the summer before. Pre season and transfer plans would have been drawn up under him and not Benitez. So Benitez had Ancelotti’s pre season and some of his transfer window.

It’s one of the main arguments against continually changing the managed, long term planning just isn’t possible, Lampard needs to be given time to be planning two or three windows in advance if we want to get really smart at recruitment, not manager arriving mid window already behind the curve.
Moshiri would have been naive not think that any manager might leave, especially one that was rated as one of the best managers in the world.
 
As @SLAVEN BILIC pointed oot:

Benitez’s PL record: 19 games, 19pts, 5 wins, 4 draws and 10 losses. PPG: 1

Lampard’s PL record: 18 games, 20pts, 6 wins, 2 draws and 9 losses. PPG: 1.1

You accuse Benitez of being the worst manager of all time and Lampard our saviour when they have similar records here.

Next season is the acid test - you can't blame the previous manager any more if Fronk doesn't push us on.
But they are being read the wrong way. Benetez came in and started well but gradually dragged the team and supporters in a dark place and went on terrible run.
Lampard came in took his time to lift the club and supporters out of the mill and turn the ship round
 

But they are being read the wrong way. Benetez came in and started well but gradually dragged the team and supporters in a dark place and went on terrible run.
Lampard came in took his time to lift the club and supporters out of the mill and turn the ship round
Benitez had a pre season to prepare and was able to get in a couple of players he wanted

Lampard was served a dogs dinner by that useless bellend also a full squad that was on its knees with confidence, the stats comparison is nonsense.
There was plenty of signs of encouragement with Lampard but absolute zero wit the other fella, he was plummeting this club hard and fast into the championship.
 
But they are being read the wrong way. Benetez came in and started well but gradually dragged the team and supporters in a dark place and went on terrible run.
Lampard came in took his time to lift the club and supporters out of the mill and turn the ship round

Even before Frankel took the job on I said for me him, Rooney & Slippy G are hyped up based on their playing days rather than their CV'S as managers.

I hope he does well here but fans need to wait until he achieves something before putting him on such a high pedestal that'll only break their hearts if it doesn't work out here.

Personally feel like Moshers caved in to fan demand rather than punting on a more proven manager like Kovac - European managers are vastly better than their English counterparts.
 
Even before Frankel took the job on I said for me him, Rooney & Slippy G are hyped up based on their playing days rather than their CV'S as managers.

I hope he does well here but fans need to wait until he achieves something before putting him on such a high pedestal that'll only break their hearts if it doesn't work out here.

Personally feel like Moshers caved in to fan demand rather than punting on a more proven manager like Kovac - European managers are vastly better than their English counterparts.
Its hard not to agree that his playing career shaped the job offer. But let’s looks at what he offers. He is charismatic, and respected. He appears driven and intelligent. He has played for the best managers in the world, won the big trophies, experienced the big game pressures.
He also was a player that made the most of his ability rather than being a naturally gifted footballers - by being tactically astute, arriving in the box at the right time and playing “simple” / the right passes. These are teachable skills for other players.
He was bought up in a football family.
In terms of raw ingredients he has the background for an great management career.
He also did a decent job a derby, did an okay job at Chelsea and it could be argued would have done better with longer time(which was only undermined by tunchel winning the champs league when he left).
For the position we are in we needed an up and coming manager who will stay with us for decent period.
From his position, he needed a club down on its luck but with the potential to rebuild his career.
He is still learning the trade but he has already shown his ability mix up his tactics to get results.
We are able to allow him two season of steady improvement before anyone questions his ability.
Is he perfect? No. But would another foreign manager with no alligence to the club been any better? I don’t think so. We have tried that with martinez, koeman, silva, benetez, and ancelotti. Let’s just hope we can grow together over the next few seasons.
 
Its hard not to agree that his playing career shaped the job offer. But let’s looks at what he offers. He is charismatic, and respected. He appears driven and intelligent. He has played for the best managers in the world, won the big trophies, experienced the big game pressures.
He also was a player that made the most of his ability rather than being a naturally gifted footballers - by being tactically astute, arriving in the box at the right time and playing “simple” / the right passes. These are teachable skills for other players.
He was bought up in a football family.
In terms of raw ingredients he has the background for an great mama get.
He also did a decent job a derby, did an okay job at Chelsea and it could be argued would have done better with longer time(which was only undermined by tunchel winning the champs league when he left).
For the position we are in we needed an up and coming manager who will stay with us for decent period.
From his position, he needed a club down on its luck but with the potential to rebuild his career.
He is still learning the trade but he has already shown his ability mix up his tactics to get results.
We are able to allow him two season of steady improvement before anyone questions his ability.
Is he perfect? No. But would another foreign manager with no alligence to the club been any better? I don’t think so. We have tried that with martinez, koeman, silva, benetez, and ancelotti. Let’s just hope we can grow together over the next few seasons.

Good post mate.

He's certainly a decent fella I just think too many have gone balls deep because he's shown a bit of pashun and isn't called Rafael Benitez.

A few results like that 0-0 Burnley game and they'll be dissent in the fanbase we all know it its been the story of the last 6-7 years.

Its upto Lampard to ensure he gets 2 wins in every 3-4 games or so to counterbalance the inevitable poor results that will come throughout the campaign.

Moyes was the master of that - his tactics done us in many a big game but he knew how to then win other games to keep the pressure off his back.

Every manager since hasn't managed that.
 
As @SLAVEN BILIC pointed oot:

Benitez’s PL record: 19 games, 19pts, 5 wins, 4 draws and 10 losses. PPG: 1

Lampard’s PL record: 18 games, 20pts, 6 wins, 2 draws and 9 losses. PPG: 1.1

You accuse Benitez of being the worst manager of all time and Lampard our saviour when they have similar records here.

Next season is the acid test - you can't blame the previous manager any more if Fronk doesn't push us on.
you have completely ignored the context that has just been provided, not similar at all, Benitez came in and had a fresh start with the players, who were in decent confidence from the prior season, he then got rid of James and Digne, then take into account that we were in freefall that Lampard somehow had to turn around before he started picking points up.

You can't compare the state of the dressing room before each started, Lampard had a far far harder job.
 

Benitez had a pre season to prepare and was able to get in a couple of players he wanted

Lampard was served a dogs dinner by that useless bellend also a full squad that was on its knees with confidence, the stats comparison is nonsense.
There was plenty of signs of encouragement with Lampard but absolute zero wit the other fella, he was plummeting this club hard and fast into the championship.

Yes.
 
you have completely ignored the context that has just been provided, not similar at all, Benitez came in and had a fresh start with the players, who were in decent confidence from the prior season, he then got rid of James and Digne, then take into account that we were in freefall that Lampard somehow had to turn around before he started picking points up.

You can't compare the state of the dressing room before each started, Lampard had a far far harder job.

Agreed but why is context only given to Lampard?

Benitez walked into a job where over half of the fanbase hated the fella - to say that wouldn't have rubbed off on the players is laughable. The atmosphere wasn't a patch on what it was under Lampard which again gives the players a kick up the arse.

The reality is both managers came into difficult jobs but only one is given any context and the other laughed off "pfftt 9 injuries, £1.7 million budget and an angry fanbase why didn't he have uz top half!"
 
Agreed but why is context only given to Lampard?

Benitez walked into a job where over half of the fanbase hated the fella - to say that wouldn't have rubbed off on the players is laughable. The atmosphere wasn't a patch on what it was under Lampard which again gives the players a kick up the arse.
Maybe that's because Lampard actually showed enthusiasm to be in the job, didn't try to alienate the fans, hadn't previously referred to Everton as a small club, and wasn't a legend across the park.

Lampard also got the players running and showing far more commitment, and Goodison will always back teams who try to fight and compete.
 

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