17 mil in January transfer window

[BlueToff]

Im not saying its bad business, im very pleased in fact, but acting like we are some transfer market big swinging dicks on a sub 10m net spend is silly when there will be at least half a dozen teams spending 50+ in the summer

I don't think anyone is saying that.

We've had a good window because we got value for the players we shipped out.

If every club could operate on a low net spend by getting the money we do for selling players that aren't part of our first team plans then they would....

 

[BlueToff]

IMO, a good window is constituted by making money off players that do not feature in our first team regularly, and then replacing them with players that are ready to make an impact.

Not having this we need to collect a load of players so we have a massive squad. We don't need it.

 

[TommyDavo]

Still funding transfers with outgoings...

think that's part and parcel of management myself.

 

[willo30]

It's 17m more than I thought we would spend even with the outgoings so no complaints from me.

 

[matty1878]

Who and with what with. we needed a replacement for Naismith / Kone. tick

Right back; ???

Howard; 2 things come to mind
1) for some reason he daren't or won't replace him.
2) The board won't let him blow all the wad.

Because summer he will sign more players or replacements then. I'm sure if it was his last throw of the dice the board would of gave him more money to see what he can do. They haven't so that tells you he's still here come summer

 

[davek]

It's not just down to that though. It's the massive sums that the Premier League teams can afford now.

They made the point on 5Live yesterday that deals like £10m-£20m just don't do it for the 'big money' sides anymore. They're aiming for £30m plus constantly.

The state of the league can be summed up by Iturbe, one of the biggest prospects to come from Porto and from South America in years, is now sitting on the bench at Bournemouth (even though he has so far failed to live up to his potential with his move to Roma). Amazing, even compared to 5/6 years ago.

It's massively competitive now. Moyes basically had Spurs to get ahead of in order to be knocking at the door of a European place, because only they could outspend Everton outside of the financial elite clubs. Martinez has a whole host of clubs to compete with outside the financial elite who are on the same financial footing, or with even more to spend than Everton.

The task got a hell of a lot tougher with the massive increases in tv cash. That's for sure.

 

[davek]

£11m net in 11 years.

Martinez has already had more than 4 times what Moyes was given

That's possibly the most useless comparison ever given on here.

 

[bluestevon]

It's massively competitive now. Moyes basically had Spurs to get ahead of in order to be knocking at the door of a European place, because only they could outspend Everton outside of the financial elite clubs. Martinez has a whole host of clubs to compete with outside the financial elite who are on the same financial footing, or with even more to spend than Everton.

The task got a hell of a lot tougher with the massive increases in tv cash. That's for sure.

Dave, Dave, Dave, that is simply wrong mate, don't tell porkies, trying to re-write history to say Moyes benefited by having more money than all but the top 6 teams is just lies mate, wages we where always near the top of the rest but on overall spend miles behind lad and can't just use the one that suits your agenda

Just for interests sake though, using your method, how many teams/managers in the league have been able to spend 28m pound on ONE player - like Martinez has been able to do?

 

[Tubey]

There's more money in the league now than under Moyes, and wages haven't quite caught up to the incomings as existing contracts are still for the "lower" wage amounts.

Hence more money net going to Martinez.

We're still spending buttons. We didn't spend £17m this transfer window; we spent less than £10m net, and net spend remains the correct analysis.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

That's possibly the most useless comparison ever given on here.

I think you'll find it's called - perspective Dave.

Sorry if it's a fact that doesn't suit your narrative.........

 

[davek]

Dave, Dave, Dave, that is simply wrong mate, don't tell porkies, trying to re-write history to say Moyes benefited by having more money than all but the top 6 teams is just lies mate, wages we where always near the top of the rest but on overall spend miles behind lad and can't just use the one that suits your agenda

Just for interests sake though, using your method, how many teams/managers in the league have been able to spend 28m pound on ONE player - like Martinez has been able to do?

In terms of gross spend it's pretty much bang on the money as a statement. Moyes was spending more on incomings than all clubs outside United, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Newcastle. These days you can add a hell of a lot more to that list who have either surpassed us or are spending as much.

 

[davek]

I think you'll find it's called - perspective Dave.

Sorry if it's a fact that doesn't suit your narrative.........

The shift has been so great in the past few seasons that you may as well compare Martinez's spending to Harry Catterick's.

Moyes/Martinez tenures are two distinct periods in the evolution of the English top flight, financially speaking.

 

[BlueToff]

Dave, Dave, Dave, that is simply wrong mate, don't tell porkies, trying to re-write history to say Moyes benefited by having more money than all but the top 6 teams is just lies mate, wages we where always near the top of the rest but on overall spend miles behind lad and can't just use the one that suits your agenda

Just for interests sake though, using your method, how many teams/managers in the league have been able to spend 28m pound on ONE player - like Martinez has been able to do?

He's right to an extent in that there was less competition in terms of 'the best of the rest', though I would have included Villa as well as Spurs.

Six years ago, teams like West Ham, Stoke, Palace etc couldn't have dreamt of having a realistic chance of top six.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

There's more money in the league now than under Moyes, and wages haven't quite caught up to the incomings as existing contracts are still for the "lower" wage amounts.

Hence more money net going to Martinez.

We're still spending buttons. We didn't spend £17m this transfer window; we spent less than £10m net, and net spend remains the correct analysis.

It's only used as the 'correct analysis' when it suits.

If you point out that Spurs have had a negative net spend over the last 5 years, the Bale and Modric cash is thrown back as the reason that they 'don't count'.

 

[BlueToff]

The shift has been so great in the past few seasons that you may as well compare Martinez's spending to Harry Catterick's.

Moyes/Martinez tenures are two distinct periods in the evolution of the English top flight, financially speaking.

He is right.

I don't think it means that Moyes had it easier, far from it, but financially speaking the league is a different beast to what it was 5 years ago.