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2015 post UK election discussion

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dannyboy said:
I think if another Blair type approach is taken then they are in danger of losing the Unions. I fail to see how the Labour Party can exist without them.
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Why? No one else gets funded by the unions. It's time for Labour to break away and get rid of the Union yolk........
 
Walken said:
it's become clear that is impossible to win an election without the press in the current system, this idea some posters have that propaganda either doesn't exist or has no effect is pretty bizarre
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I think most on here are pretty tribal in their beliefs and will always vote that way inclined.

It's the majority of people who don't concern themselves with politics apart from once every 5 years that form their opinions from what they see/hear in the press. If the messages and scaremongering are hammered home and drummed into them then no one can deny this has a huge impact on polling day.
 
dannyboy said:
Do you think the unions are prepare to do that? I really don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that they could split from the Labour Party and start again.
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No I don't as the Unions are core funders of the Party and carry a huge bloc vote BUT surely the wishes of the Labour membership should override this?
 
Milk said:
No I don't as the Unions are core funders of the Party and carry a huge bloc vote BUT surely the wishes of the Labour membership should override this?
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In any socialist set up when have the wishes of the people overridden the desires of the leadership.......
 

Milk said:
The problem is that we are/have moved away from a manufacturing base to a service industry base that, frankly, doesn't make anything so is fundamentally useless.
Further, with the inexorable rise of technology & robotics, hands on people are becoming less necessary.
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I agree with you. However this means we have to make the investment in education to produce highly qualified skilled workers. At the same time we have to invest in infrastructure - rail and transport links, and have to have the correct economic policies at macro and micro levels to attract big business, manufacturers in particular, back into Britain.

Only a Labour Government would take such a Keynesian approach - that should be the message the Labour Party takes forward. We borrow to invest to increase our income, not fund our defecit. If necessary we use quantitative easing to assist this programme. We supporting the banks through QE, now supprt our people.
 
peteblue said:
Why? No one else gets funded by the unions. It's time for Labour to break away and get rid of the Union yolk........
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There's already a huge disparity between the money the Tories have and all the other parties. Labour without the Unions would be broke and I really doubt they could compete any more.

Labour was founded by the unions. If they break that link then it's game over for thousands of people across the country. We're then entering what would effectively be one party rule until something fills that void.
 

my 80k a year will not be stretched i hope? will i struggle to pay my tuition fees?
 
the esk said:
I agree with you. However this means we have to make the investment in education to produce highly qualified skilled workers. At the same time we have to invest in infrastructure - rail and transport links, and have to have the correct economic policies at macro and micro levels to attract big business, manufacturers in particular, back into Britain.

Only a Labour Government would take such a Keynesian approach - that should be the message the Labour Party takes forward. We borrow to invest to increase our income, not fund our defecit. If necessary we use quantitative easing to assist this programme. We supporting the banks through QE, now supprt our people.
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Dammit all, you'll have me voting Labour not Loony .........

Not sure if HS2 is a good use of £50bn though.
 
the esk said:
I agree with you. However this means we have to make the investment in education to produce highly qualified skilled workers. At the same time we have to invest in infrastructure - rail and transport links, and have to have the correct economic policies at macro and micro levels to attract big business, manufacturers in particular, back into Britain.

Only a Labour Government would take such a Keynesian approach - that should be the message the Labour Party takes forward. We borrow to invest to increase our income, not fund our defecit. If necessary we use quantitative easing to assist this programme. We supporting the banks through QE, now supprt our people.
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Labour were borrowing not for 'investment' but to keep it's client state happy, i.e. money that should have come from revenue. I do however agree that we could have gotten away with more printing of money when we did it in parallel with the USA, but that boat has now sailed. If we tried it now the money markets would punish us.........
 

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