2015 post UK election discussion

[daylightrobber]

There's already a huge disparity between the money the Tories have and all the other parties. Labour without the Unions would be broke and I really doubt they could compete any more.

Labour was founded by the unions. If they break that link then it's game over for thousands of people across the country. We're then entering what would effectively be one party rule until something fills that void.

Which is exactly what Pete and the Tory party would love to see.

 

[peteblue]

I agree totally. We should have state funding of political parties. We should say no to union money and the Tories should say no to individual and corporate donations.

We agree on something. My only caveat would be not to let them spend too much..........

 

[The Esk]

Labour were borrowing not for 'investment' but to keep it's client state happy, i.e. money that should have come from revenue. I do however agree that we could have gotten away with more printing of money when we did it in parallel with the USA, but that boat has now sailed. If we tried it now the money markets would punish us.........

Without increasing our income, without increasing productivity we will always run a deficit.

Austerity reduces economic activity - it is a totally false economy and a completely deluded policy born by the dogma of a small state.

Expansion of the economy through investment is the only way to close the gap between income and expenditure.

 

[peteblue]

Which is exactly what Pete and the Tory party would love to see.

No it isn't. Well not me anyway. I want to see an even playing field for all, with no large paymasters........

 

[dannyboy]

Which is exactly what Pete and the Tory party would love to see.

A society in which only the interests of those at the top are taken into account... I'd be interested to see how long they could keep up the facade that they actually do give a damn about those at the bottom.

 

[The Esk]

Not sure if HS2 is a good use of £50bn though.

I agree, firstly it is in the wrong part of the country and secondly in isolation it is a waste. When you build infrastructure you have to put in place all the components that will use it - skilled workers, companies and their customers.

 

[peteblue]

Without increasing our income, without increasing productivity we will always run a deficit.

Austerity reduces economic activity - it is a totally false economy and a completely deluded policy born by the dogma of a small state.

Expansion of the economy through investment is the only way to close the gap between income and expenditure.

We all agree that income has to rise to fund growth and that that will reduce deficits. It's WHAT you spend the money on that counts and there is the nub of this election. More people trusted the Tories to spend the money more wisely than Miliband and Balls..........

 

[peteblue]

Anyway chaps it's time to visit the pub and watch the Reds get battered by a team in Blue again.........

 

[The Esk]

We all agree that income has to rise to fund growth and that that will reduce deficits. It's WHAT you spend the money on that counts and there is the nub of this election. More people trusted the Tories to spend the money more wisely than Miliband and Balls..........

But Pete, the Tory argument was that they would spend less money in order to reduce the deficit, not increase income other than through moribund economic growth rates (+2% pa). Show me one economic policy by the Conservatives which will lead to an increase in income and productivity?

By spending less you reduce economic activity - it is self defeating. Go back and examine monetarism, see what happened in the early 80's.

 

[The Esk]

Anyway chaps it's time to visit the pub and watch the Reds get battered by a team in Blue again.........

I thought you'd been already lollol

 

[marty mcfly]

People on 80k a year struggle Brunnun.

They struggle to spend it all.

What if their wives don't work or they're divorced. Maybe the mortgage they have to pay is over 2k a month etc

Or maybe you think doctors, architects etc should have the same standard of living as everyone else and if you do well you have no idea how human nature works but all you need to do is look at Eastern Europe under communism.

 

[The Equaliser]

I have no time for those now advocating reform, those on the right had their chance in 2011 and shot it down. Now because UKIP did so well they want it reformed. As they say in South Africa, FOCK THAT.

It's a bit undemocratic though isn't it. 11m people deciding the fate of 60m people.

 

[marty mcfly]

We agree on something. My only caveat would be not to let them spend too much..........

I think we should ban all corporate and individual spending over a certain amount.

 

[marty mcfly]

Without increasing our income, without increasing productivity we will always run a deficit.

Austerity reduces economic activity - it is a totally false economy and a completely deluded policy born by the dogma of a small state.

Expansion of the economy through investment is the only way to close the gap between income and expenditure.

Austerity keeps more money in the hands of the people who both buy the products and invest in the companies that make those products.

 

[Brennan]

Good argument.

What I quoted is about as worthy of a serious response as somebody saying the world is flat.

I mean ffs, struggle on 80k.